Originally posted by brazThat looks really cool, but some of that stuff is bogus. It makes Bats seem a lil' better than he really is. How many minds has Batman grown in outside of Gotham's underworld punks? Cap will win this fight 10/10. Cap has every physical advantage and he knows how to use 'em. Sorry guys, Batman is simply outclassed here.
Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.
This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.
From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.
The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.
Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.
As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.
Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.
The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.
Originally posted by brainchild81
That looks really cool, but some of that stuff is bogus. It makes Bats seem a lil' better than he really is. How many minds has Batman grown in outside of Gotham's underworld punks? Cap will win this fight 10/10. Cap has every physical advantage and he knows how to use 'em. Sorry guys, Batman is simply outclassed here.
Every physical advantage? By how much now? And since when does Batman care?
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Hellz yes demon Wonderwoman. Hellz yes.
Oh, and if they're in costume, Batman DOES get one small advantage...
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Durability. 🙂
Thanks dawsey. Respeck Batman.
Oh, and just for kicks, physical advantages who?
And braz's post sounds fancy, but isn't BS at all... Though Batman doesn't usually fight that godly. He uses "chi" a lot... Meaning that he's kicked down trees and punched through brick walls and such. That's just their explanation for how he does that stuff. Other than that, heightened senses throuhg meditation is pretty standard for comic book martial arts. The Tiger Punch is what Shiva used to smash in Richard Dragon's skull... Shiva and Batman are the only 2 living people to know how to use it.
Other than that, the post just talks about Batman's training. He's a master swordsman as well, though I'd assume neither would get weapons here. Or it's knockout gas for the win. 🙂
Originally posted by Dizzle
And braz's post sounds fancy, but isn't BS at all... Though Batman doesn't usually fight that godly. He uses "chi" a lot... Meaning that he's kicked down trees and punched through brick walls and such. That's just their explanation for how he does that stuff. Other than that, heightened senses throuhg meditation is pretty standard for comic book martial arts. The Tiger Punch is what Shiva used to smash in Richard Dragon's skull... Shiva and Batman are the only 2 living people to know how to use it.Other than that, the post just talks about Batman's training. He's a master swordsman as well, though I'd assume neither would get weapons here. Or it's knockout gas for the win. 🙂
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Originally posted by DizzleBatmans not only loses to often to people in h2h battles, but he doesnt have nearly the experience that cap has, cap is better at judo and jiu0jistu meaning that any "dragon punch" would be countered and used to throw batman, Captain america has knocked out ironfist who can SHATTER STEEL while using ki, he has knocked down king thor, has taken down regular thor, KOed Wolverine, and Beat S.H.I.E.L.D's finest agent WITHOUT trying in an h2h fight, when batman is looked up too as the best there is PERIOD not when he has all these "if" "ands" and "buts" than maybe i will consider giving him some slack
And braz's post sounds fancy, but isn't BS at all... Though Batman doesn't usually fight that godly. He uses "chi" a lot... Meaning that he's kicked down trees and punched through brick walls and such. That's just their explanation for how he does that stuff. Other than that, heightened senses throuhg meditation is pretty standard for comic book martial arts. The Tiger Punch is what Shiva used to smash in Richard Dragon's skull... Shiva and Batman are the only 2 living people to know how to use it.Other than that, the post just talks about Batman's training. He's a master swordsman as well, though I'd assume neither would get weapons here. Or it's knockout gas for the win. 🙂
Cap has slugged with the Hulk,Thing,Thanos,and lived to tell the tale, he has also knocked out US agent numerous times who is a stronger than anyBane, and he is stated by marvel to be the best "unarmed combat expert in the world", and the man jumps out of planes regularly and doesnt get hurt, cap can DEFINATLEY take a punch
He has also been shown to CURL 500 pounds more than 10 times in several repetitations in 1 workout, and is the most gifted athlete on the planet EVER, not in his day,but EVER
your are putting up a good competitor against, THE KING , and in this case the king wears his crown yet another day.
Originally posted by King KAM
Batmans not only loses to often to people in h2h battles, but he doesnt have nearly the experience that cap has, cap is better at judo and jiu0jistu meaning that any "dragon punch" would be countered and used to throw batman, Captain america has knocked out ironfist who can SHATTER STEEL while using ki, he has knocked down king thor, has taken down regular thor, KOed Wolverine, and Beat S.H.I.E.L.D's finest agent WITHOUT trying in an h2h fight, when batman is looked up too as the best there is PERIOD not when he has all these "if" "ands" and "buts" than maybe i will consider giving him some slackCap has slugged with the Hulk,Thing,Thanos,and lived to tell the tale, he has also knocked out US agent numerous times who is a stronger than anyBane, and he is stated by marvel to be the best "unarmed combat expert in the world", and the man jumps out of planes regularly and doesnt get hurt, cap can DEFINATLEY take a punch
He has also been shown to CURL 500 pounds more than 10 times in several repetitations in 1 workout, and is the most gifted athlete on the planet EVER, not in his day,but EVER
your are putting up a good competitor against, THE KING , and in this case the king wears his crown yet another day.
Crap feats, KAM? Honestly, do you honestly think you're fooling anyone when you say Cap went toe to toe with Thanos? See the attatchment so we all know how that goes. Pretty much every "impressive" opponent you've listed didn't fight Cap h2h. At the LEAST, he used his shield in all of them. If we're bringing in weapons, Batman gets his Motherbox and knockout gas.
In pure h2h, Batman hung with a demon version of Wonderwoman, who WAS a high class 100, and beat Aquaman right next to some water. He's held up against Batgirl, who is a freaking metahuman in evey sense of the word. Basically, your entire post is a "OMG CAP IS l337" rant. He's only debatably the best on Marvel Earth, and CERTAINLY wouldn't be the best in DC.
Curl 500 pounds? How much do you think that pipe weighs? How strong do you have to be to tear that thing off of the ground, without much strain, and throw it?
I know Cap can take hits... But how many bullets can he take to the chest? It's not about mental toughness, it's about Batman's suit being strong enough to take a whole bunch of rounds to the chest from point blank. Cap wears thin chainmail, if I recall correctly. Batman's suit definitely provides better protection, and both can take punishment extremely well.
Both are exceptional martial artists. Who's better? Marvel and DC seem to think they're pretty close. Both have crazy feats, and have beaten up a LOT of guys. Physically, they are as close to equal as they come. In pure h2h, both walk away after 10 long fights, each having won 5, but just barely.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Crap feats, KAM? Honestly, do you honestly think you're fooling anyone when you say Cap went toe to toe with Thanos? See the attatchment so we all know how that goes. Pretty much every "impressive" opponent you've listed didn't fight Cap h2h. At the LEAST, he used his shield in all of them. If we're bringing in weapons, Batman gets his Motherbox and knockout gas.In pure h2h, Batman hung with a demon version of Wonderwoman, who WAS a high class 100, and beat Aquaman right next to some water. He's held up against Batgirl, who is a freaking metahuman in evey sense of the word. Basically, your entire post is a "OMG CAP IS l337" rant. He's only debatably the best on Marvel Earth, and CERTAINLY wouldn't be the best in DC.
Curl 500 pounds? How much do you think that pipe weighs? How strong do you have to be to tear that thing off of the ground, without much strain, and throw it?
I know Cap can take hits... But how many bullets can he take to the chest? It's not about mental toughness, it's about Batman's suit being strong enough to take a whole bunch of rounds to the chest from point blank. Cap wears thin chainmail, if I recall correctly. Batman's suit definitely provides better protection, and both can take punishment extremely well.
Both are exceptional martial artists. Who's better? Marvel and DC seem to think they're pretty close. Both have crazy feats, and have beaten up a LOT of guys. Physically, they are as close to equal as they come. In pure h2h, both walk away after 10 long fights, each having won 5, but just barely.
nice post, but that pipe wieghs nowhere near 500 pounds it looked like it was aluminum like most pipes, pipes arent very heavy eespcial not ones that tear, that was a crap feat like wolverine lifting a garbage can, cap HAS taken punches from THOR and HULK without the shield, and his suit is just a about worth as much as batmans, consideriing bats stops MOST medium caliber bullets, caps has taken RIFLE bullets from a very close range,Bats IS good, I likehim alot, but captain America trains more,harder, and is USED to know prep and no gadgets more, and bats physical superior.
These fights are a good length, but not all as long as people think cap still takes 10/10 hes Perfect human, fighting a really good one.
wow king kam youre a ****ing retard. how old are you? do you have any common sense? do you even know what jiu jitsu and judo is? have you even seen them used in a real fight and not just demonstrations? cap isnt just going to throw bats around cause he knows jiu jitsu. and batman is lifting the "aluminum" (no its not aluminum) pipe, he is ripping it from the base.
Originally posted by voldim a amateur fighter, now how much do you know about Jiu-Jitsu and Judo, because i know a hell of alot and yes i do see it used in real fighting, juss watch pride, Hidehiko Yoshida, Carlows newton.....both GREAT fighters
wow king kam youre a ****ing retard. how old are you? do you have any common sense? do you even know what jiu jitsu and judo is? have you even seen them used in a real fight and not just demonstrations? cap isnt just going to throw bats around cause he knows jiu jitsu. and batman is lifting the "aluminum" (no its not aluminum) pipe, he is ripping it from the base.
Originally posted by King KAM
nice post, but that pipe wieghs nowhere near 500 pounds it looked like it was aluminum like most pipes, pipes arent very heavy eespcial not ones that tear, that was a crap feat like wolverine lifting a garbage can, cap HAS taken punches from THOR and HULK without the shield, and his suit is just a about worth as much as batmans, consideriing bats stops MOST medium caliber bullets, caps has taken RIFLE bullets from a very close range,Bats IS good, I likehim alot, but captain America trains more,harder, and is USED to know prep and no gadgets more, and bats physical superior.These fights are a good length, but not all as long as people think cap still takes 10/10 hes Perfect human, fighting a really good one.
Go get a pop can. Try to rip it in half. Come back in a half hour when your arms fall off. Now make the pop can the size of that pipe. Still think you have even close to enough strength to rip through the metal like that? Even if it isn't a ton, simply ripping through the metal is more impressive than curling 500. And there ARE more feats.
Oh, and Batman got smashed into a wall by Darksied and has taken shots from Wonderwoman, as well as many other high end strength characters... Again, they're basically exactly equal.
That's 300 pounds on each arm, and he is badly injured at the time.
Again, if you feel like testing it, find a tree or climb onto your roof. I guarantee you you won't be able to budge your chimney.
Flash can't shake a guy, so who does he call? (Ok, this is a bit PISish, but hey, it's a fun feat)
This is just some Batgirl stuff now...
Quiz question: How fast does Green Arrow shoot arrows? And who the hell catches them without looking?
Ok, it's officially on record. He says that Cap could CONCEIVABLY beat him. It's not admitting defeat, he's saying that the two of them are equals.
Originally posted by DizzleBats pretty much just said that cap would own him, but it would take long, soo Cap still wins 10/10. he didnt seem too impressed from bats, why????because he eats costumed streetlevelers like him for inbetween meal snacks.
Go get a pop can. Try to rip it in half. Come back in a half hour when your arms fall off. Now make the pop can the size of that pipe. Still think you have even close to enough strength to rip through the metal like that? Even if it isn't a ton, simply ripping through the metal is more impressive than curling 500. And there ARE more feats.Oh, and Batman got smashed into a wall by Darksied and has taken shots from Wonderwoman, as well as many other high end strength characters... Again, they're basically exactly equal.
That's 300 pounds on each arm, and he is badly injured at the time.
Again, if you feel like testing it, find a tree or climb onto your roof. I guarantee you you won't be able to budge your chimney.
Flash can't shake a guy, so who does he call? (Ok, this is a bit PISish, but hey, it's a fun feat)
This is just some Batgirl stuff now...
Quiz question: How fast does Green Arrow shoot arrows? And who the hell catches them without looking?
Ok, it's officially on record. He says that Cap could CONCEIVABLY beat him. It's not admitting defeat, he's saying that the two of them are equals.
Originally posted by Dizzle😆 Not really. If Bats had said "We're too evenly matched" or "this fight'll go on forever", then you'd have something. What Batman did was as close to saying "you're better than me" as it gets. Would you tell your equal that he could conceivably beat you? I wouldn't. I'd tell that to some guy who's clearly a little better than me and talk my way out of a sure a$$whoopin while saving some face.........just like Batman did🙂 Batman is smart and he did the smart thing. In every crossover between the 2 it's implied that Cap's got the edge, even if it's just a slight oneOk, it's officially on record. He says that Cap could CONCEIVABLY beat him. It's not admitting defeat, he's saying that the two of them are equals
Maybe Batman should've "grew in his mind" 🙄
Batmans not only loses to often to people in h2h battles, but he doesnt have nearly the experience that cap has, cap is better at judo and jiu0jistu meaning that any "dragon punch" would be countered and used to throw batman, Captain america has knocked out ironfist who can SHATTER STEEL while using ki, he has knocked down king thor, has taken down regular thor, KOed Wolverine, and Beat S.H.I.E.L.D's finest agent WITHOUT trying in an h2h fight, when batman is looked up too as the best there is PERIOD not when he has all these "if" "ands" and "buts" than maybe i will consider giving him some slackCap has slugged with the Hulk,Thing,Thanos,and lived to tell the tale, he has also knocked out US agent numerous times who is a stronger than anyBane, and he is stated by marvel to be the best "unarmed combat expert in the world", and the man jumps out of planes regularly and doesnt get hurt, cap can DEFINATLEY take a punch
He has also been shown to CURL 500 pounds more than 10 times in several repetitations in 1 workout, and is the most gifted athlete on the planet EVER, not in his day,but EVER
your are putting up a good competitor against, THE KING , and in this case the king wears his crown yet another day.
Cool and all but what those this all have to do with anything when you can take beatings from the likes of ticked off superman.
Power is not something that worries batman. And batman is one of the best martial artist is the whole of DCU.
Not really. If Bats had said "We're too evenly matched" or "this fight'll go on forever", then you'd have something. What Batman did was as close to saying "you're better than me" as it gets. Would you tell your equal that he could conceivably beat you? I wouldn't. I'd tell that to some guy who's clearly a little better than me and talk my way out of a sure a$$whoopin while saving some face.........just like Batman did Batman is smart and he did the smart thing. In every crossover between the 2 it's implied that Cap's got the edge, even if it's just a slight oneMaybe Batman should've "grew in his mind
If Bats had said "We're too evenly matched" or "this fight'll go on forever", But he did you can ask me and I will give it to you....or you can ignore and bring this on a later date. What ever rocks your boat I am game.
You would have liked that batman should have grown in his mind. So that you can start complaining 😆 even though batman can do it. 🙂
Check how batman can disappear in plain sight if he so chooses.
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Anything could happen, doesn't mean it will.
Plus Batmans a lier.
Just beacuse he said that doesn't mean he ment it.
Batman already beat him in another crossover.
Bat wins this easy.
He'll hit him with with so many pressure point blows he'll be just standing there like a statue.
Then Bats will ask are you ready to play nice Rogers the hit him again letting him be able to move.
Batmans beat stronger more skilled and people with more endurance then the steroid junkie could ever hope to be.
