Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Started by Phantom Zone220 pages

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well that's his opinion....

Different writers have different opinions. According to some, Superman is unbeatable while according to others, the Hulk is.

I dont know about any of that but considering that two writers have stated that Cap is superior to batman its better than just your opinion, especially when one writer has made Batman state that Cap is superior in a canon source.

I also have this.

Obvously though they're not going to blantantly come out and say that Cap is superior like Busiek did they have to try and imply it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont know about any of that but considering that two writers have stated that Cap is superior to batman its better than just your opinion, especially when one writer has made Batman state that Cap is superior in a canon source.

That's the thing though, Batman never stated that Captain America is superior, he simply stated that Captain America "could" defeat him.

The writers opinion don't reflect on what happened or what was shown to happen.

If I went by what writers say, Rune King Thor would have his hands full with World War Hulk.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What was said was ambigous, the writer clarified the true meaning. Its like arguing with an author of a poem about the meaning of a poem he wrote, ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

If I went by what writers say, Rune King Thor would have his hands full with World War Hulk.

LOL at what the writer said about WWH was ambigous as well, what Busiek said wasnt. Furthemore the writers didnt state what another character said about another persons ability, that not even comparable. In JLA/Avengers batman reflected what the writer thought so its true wether you like it or not. With WWH the writers merely stated their opinion.

It seemed pretty clear to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It seemed pretty clear to me.

1. edited my post
2. No its wasnt, what batman said could be interpreted differently.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. edited my post
2. No its wasnt, what batman said could be interpreted differently.

Batman said "It is possible you could conceivably beat me Avenger."

He basically said, that Captain America beating him was a possibility.

It was pretty clear.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL at what the writer said about WWH was ambigous as well, what Busiek said wasnt. Furthemore the writers didnt state what another character said about another persons ability, that not even comparable. In JLA/Avengers batman reflected what the writer thought so its true wether you like it or not. With WWH the writers merely stated their opinion.

How was it ambiguous?

The writer of World War Hulk made it seem pretty clear, about what he thought was the case. It was obviously just his opinion, which doesn't get supported by the comics.

Writers spout a lot of stuff but it's just opinion.

Sentry is apparently the greatest super hero ever in Marvel according to one, but so is Thor according to another.

If Batman reflected what the writer thought, then why doesn't his statement match what the writer said?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Batman said "It is possible you could conceivably beat me Avenger."

He basically said, that Captain America beating him was a possibility.

It was pretty clear.

No it wasnt becaus if you know anything about Batman he could have been implying that Cap would beat him. I know from Batman personality that he doesnt like to admit that he needs help or hes inferior.

As one poster said it could be argued that he backed down from a fight he thought he would lose.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How was it ambiguous?

The writer of World War Hulk made it seem pretty clear, about what he thought was the case. It was obviously just his opinion, which doesn't get supported by the comics.

Are you refering to the writer saying that nobody could beat Hulk?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Writers spout a lot of stuff but it's just opinion.

Sentry is apparently the greatest super hero ever in Marvel according to one, but so is Thor according to another.

If Batman reflected what the writer thought, then why doesn't his statement match what the writer said?

What was said was ambigous, the writer clarified the true meaning. Its like arguing with an author of a poem about the meaning of a poem he wrote, ridiculous.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No it wasnt becaus if you know anything about Batman he could have been implying that Cap would beat him. I know from Batman personality that he doesnt like to admit that he needs help or hes inferior.

Batman is cold and calculating. He is more of a loner but that doesn't mean he doesn't admit when he is inferior. Batman knows when he will lose, and he resorts to either cheating or out thinking his opponent. It's pretty clear there, that he knows he can hold his own.

He could have been implying but it's evident that he wasn't. His interview is his own personal opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
As one poster said it could be argued that he backed down from a fight he thought he would lose.

You could argue that the sky is green because that's the way you see it, but that doesn't mean you'll win the argument.

It's pretty clear he didn't back down from fear.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Are you refering to the writer saying that nobody could beat Hulk?

The writer of World War Hulk said many things. That's my point.

A writer might say one thing but it's just opinion.

According the interview he gave, Superman wouldn't stand a chance, and Rune King Thor would have his hands fool, but in the comic Sentry stalemated him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[i]What was said was ambigous, the writer clarified the true meaning. Its like arguing with an author of a poem about the meaning of a poem he wrote, ridiculous.

I already responded to this.

Batman. Smarter, comparable strength/speed, more skilled and an advantage in durability due to the costume. Cap has superior stamina, but I don't see that mattering much.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Batman. Smarter, comparable strength/speed, more skilled and an advantage in durability due to the costume. Cap has superior stamina, but I don't see that mattering much.

Snap!

I'm glad someone finally mentioned the durability advantage for Batman via the suit.

It constantly gets overlooked.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Batman is cold and calculating. He is more of a loner but that doesn't mean he doesn't admit when he is inferior. Batman knows when he will lose, and he resorts to either cheating or out thinking his opponent. It's pretty clear there, that he knows he can hold his own.

It looks like you really havent read that much Batman, I can think of several examples off the top of my head where Batman show he hates to show weakness and inferioity.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

He could have been implying but it's evident that he wasn't. [/b ]

*sigh* stop lying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]
It's pretty clear he didn't back down from fear.

Yeah of course not thats why he decided to gauge his skill levels its obvoulsy 100% certain that Batman wasnt trying to see if he could beat him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

The writer of World War Hulk said many things. That's my point.

A writer might say one thing but it's just opinion.

According the interview he gave, Superman wouldn't stand a chance, and Rune King Thor would have his hands fool, but in the comic Sentry stalemated him.

The writer didnt have Superman say this on panel. Sentry lost to WWH and that Sentry was at highier power levels.

Originally posted by batdude123
Snap!

I'm glad someone finally mentioned the durability advantage for Batman via the suit.

It constantly gets overlooked.

I didn't say anything because I thought it was obvious.

😉

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't say anything because I thought it was obvious.

😉

Obvious to some. 😉

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
It looks like you really havent read that much Batman, I can think of several examples off the top of my head where Batman show he hates to show weakness and inferioity.

He hates showing to potential enemies etc. that is true, but he has shown that when he is inferior, he will work the way around it, and would admit it.

I have the entire Batman, Detective Comics, Shadow of Bats, Journey into the Knight, probably all his tons of mini's and more complete and up to date. I don't think it's possible to read more Batman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* stop lying.

I'm not lying.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah of course not thats why he decided to gauge his skill levels its obvoulsy 100% certain that Batman wasnt trying to see if he could beat him.

Okay then...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The writer didnt have Superman say this on panel. Sentry lost to WWH and that Sentry was at highier power levels.

The writer also didn't have Batman say that he would lose to Captain America either. He had Batman say it's a possibility and nothing more which is the truth for either of them.

Originally posted by batdude123
Obvious to some. 😉

Unfortunately it isn't to others...

Yep

Yeppers.

I've always wanted to say that word.

I've also always wanted to ask you.

Where the hell is you're avatar from?

Also, LMAO at you're sig.

Frank Rynolds Says; Smpurh is a Filthy Trend Whore.

That's hilarious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeppers.

I've always wanted to say that word.

I've also always wanted to ask you.

Where the hell is you're avatar from?

Also, LMAO at you're sig.

Frank Rynolds Says; Smpurh is a Filthy Trend Whore.

That's hilarious.

It's from a show called "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia."

And I know my sig is just teh bestest eva.

If you've never seen that show, you should definitely check it out.

Iight, I'll check out. Just for you.

😮