Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
can't use cross-overs anymore.

@ rage. granted, but even if you accept that as fact, he still couldn't budge a lower weight after that. what was the result of that issue?

If I recall, he escaped the trap.

It was a Detective Comics issue if I recall. I can probably find it if I dig.

Him not being able to budge that wait is PIS.

Even recently, in Batman R.I.P, while trapped in a straight jacked, been poisoned, dehydrated and was obviously not near a %100, he was able to bench press over 600 pounds to free himself.

Originally posted by chomperx9
that's not the point if he was afraid or not or if they are each others enemies or not. he backed down from the fight. if he didn't say anything it would have kept on going. and even bats said there cap could beat him but the fight would take along time though.

He said Captain America could beat him, which is true, he didn't say Captain America would beat him. It's not as if he admitted he would lose the fight. Batman simply calculated the odds, and realized that he could conceivably lose.

So what is you're point?

He backed down, because of the situation. What is this exactly supposed to prove?

The Batgod wins.

Dude can dodge bullets, stop Impulse on his track, bend a thick steel pipe approx 600lbs+, even make Darkseid bleed.

i guess the only logical end to this is that just like time, strength limits for humans can slide.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He said Captain America could beat him, which is true, he didn't say Captain America would beat him. It's not as if he admitted he would lose the fight. Batman simply calculated the odds, and realized that he could conceivably lose.

So what is you're point?

He backed down, because of the situation. What is this exactly supposed to prove?

face it batman made himself look like a wimp there.

oh shit son! you done did it now!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh shit son! you done did it now!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He said Captain America could beat him, which is true, he didn't say Captain America would beat him. It's not as if he admitted he would lose the fight. Batman simply calculated the odds, and realized that he could conceivably lose.

So what is you're point?

He backed down, because of the situation. What is this exactly supposed to prove?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i guess the only logical end to this is that just like time, strength limits for humans can slide.

Okay then, lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If I recall, he escaped the trap.

It was a Detective Comics issue if I recall. I can probably find it if I dig.

Him not being able to budge that wait is PIS.

Even recently, in Batman R.I.P, while trapped in a straight jacked, been poisoned, dehydrated and was obviously not near a %100, he was able to bench press over 600 pounds to free himself.

Originally posted by chomperx9
my point is batman backed down from the fight and you know it your just trying to make it seem like it was no biggy cause your bat fanboy. could would what ever the point of that is batman admitting someone else can take him on and possibly beat him.

face it batman made himself look like a wimp there.

He didn't back down because of fear, or because of his inability to hold his own, he backed down because he saw the larger picture.

It was circumstance.

Batman just stated the truth. It is possible for Captain America to beat him and vise versa. Lack of arrogance is a good thing.

He did not make himself look like a wimp. How in the hell did you come up with that conclusion?

Again I ask you, what point are you trying to make with that scan?

How does it anyway reflect on this thread topic?

Stop whining just because I disagree to you, and I am not a Batman fanboy. Far from it. I love Nightwing but I just barely tolerate Batman and I think he is overrated.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but is he really lifting it, or his he trying to slow down a ceiling designed to slowly crush him in vein?

As I recall he was holding the weight and as Maximus said, he would be able to support it for a while.

I've seen Batman support a ton of rubble before.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He didn't back down because of fear, or because of his inability to hold his own, he backed down because he saw the larger picture.

It was circumstance.

Batman just stated the truth. It is possible for Captain America to beat him and vise versa. Lack of arrogance is a good thing.

He did not make himself look like a wimp. How in the hell did you come up with that conclusion?

Again I ask you, what point are you trying to make with that scan?

How does it anyway reflect on this thread topic?

Stop whining just because I disagree to you, and I am not a Batman fanboy. Far from it. I love Nightwing but I just barely tolerate Batman and I think he is overrated.

Originally posted by chomperx9
I'm not whining i just hate it when others cant admit when there favorite character looks bad. they come up with an excuse saying its not cannon or find some way to make the scene look better. and the reason for posting that is this an H2H fight between the two no weapons and that's the only time i believe they got to go at it with no weapons. made himself look like a wimp by STANDING DOWN DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE REASON WAS HE STOOD DOWN WHICH BATMAN RARELY EVER DOES.

Would you calm down and stop whining?

Batman doesn't look bad, he just looks smart. He doesn't care about the pointless fighting and he sees the bigger picture.

I'm not making any excuses. I'm simply telling you what happened as it seems you might be misinterpeting the scene.

How does the reason not matter?

The reason changes everything. He didn't stand down because he couldn't hang or he was frightened, he simply told Captain America that this was pointless, and Captain America agreed as there was a bigger picture.

Batman was still in a fighting stance when he said it, so it's obvious if Captain America insisted to fight, Batman would have had no problem obliging.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Would you calm down and stop whining?

Batman doesn't look bad, he just looks smart. He doesn't care about the pointless fighting and he sees the bigger picture.

I'm not making any excuses. I'm simply telling you what happened as it seems you might be misinterpeting the scene.

How does the reason not matter?

The reason changes everything. He didn't stand down because he couldn't hang or he was frightened, he simply told Captain America that this was pointless, and Captain America agreed as there was a bigger picture.

Batman was still in a fighting stance when he said it, so it's obvious if Captain America insisted to fight, Batman would have had no problem obliging.

Originally posted by chomperx9
the point is he stood down from the fight doesn't matter if he See's the fight pointless or he has to head back home cause he left his cell or hes scared the point is he decided not to keep on going. and him admitting that cap could beat him that's a sign of being worried fighting that person. you still don't get it do you where I'm getting at. sorry but I'm done trying to explain

He said that Captain America could conceivably beat him which is true. How does that make him look like a wimp?

It's just him being honest. He can beat Captain America but vise versa. He said could because it was a possibility not a sure thing.

He didn't drop his guard and surrender. He simply stated that this fight was pointless while in a fighting stance which proves that he would have gone on fighting if he had too.

The reason is the most important thing. It determines in what context we use that scenario in.

I don't think you even know what you're point is yourself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He said Captain America could beat him, which is true, he didn't say Captain America would beat him. It's not as if he admitted he would lose the fight. Batman simply calculated the odds, and realized that he could conceivably lose.

and Busiek clarified the meaning of that as Batman was admitting that Captain America was the superior opponent and he would lose the fight.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and Busiek clarified the meaning of that as Batman was admitting that Captain America was the superior opponent and he would lose the fight.

Batman said, that Captain America could conceivably beat him which is true and it's true vise versa.

How does that mean that Captain America is the superior opponent and Batman would lose?

I thought he helped write that comic?

Did he forget what was said on panel?

Take what a writer says with a grain of salt as they have their own personal opinions and they don't reflect what happens in the comic at times.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Batman said, that Captain America could conceivably beat him which is true and it's true vise versa.

How does that mean that Captain America is the superior opponent and Batman would lose?

I thought he helped write that comic?

Did he forget what was said on panel?

Take what a writer says with a grain of salt as they have their own personal opinions and they don't reflect what happens in the comic at times.

What was said was ambigous, the writer clarified the true meaning. Its like arguing with an author of a poem about the meaning of a poem he wrote, ridiculous.

Brubakes has written for Batman and Cap and hes stated that cap is superior to Batman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What was said was ambigous, the writer clarified the true meaning. Its like arguing with an author of a poem about the meaning of a poem he wrote, ridiculous.

Brubakes has written for Batman and Cap and hes stated that cap is superior to Batman.

Well that's his opinion....

Different writers have different opinions. According to some, Superman is unbeatable while according to others, the Hulk is.