Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Murda Mase
Actually I have a full run of Catain America the one that started at 100 and his Tales of Suspense appearnces.

I have Avengers #4 and about a 100 of the Avengers comics plus aall the New Avengers ones and all his current series.

I have about 4000 comics in total and 50 trades so yeah I'd say I do read comics.

Why wouldn't you trust something made by a Marvel afilliet and Marvel themselves, plus the Wikipedia profile was done by his fans who I'm sure know a great deal about him.

wikipedia is unreliable and can be edit by anyone at any time. So You can't trust everything you read there.

Handbooks frequently get things wrong. Like Beast being higher in strength then Spider-man.

Originally posted by Jose123
wikipedia is unreliable and can be edit by anyone at any time. So You can't trust everything you read there.

Handbooks frequently get things wrong. Like Beast being higher in strength then Spider-man.

Well thats three things right there saying the same thing.

Give some proof then saying that he a Superhuman.

If you can thats cool.

Batman was burnt out during knight fall, if he had great stamina and endurance he wouldn't have gotten his back broken by Bane. Captain America is physically above Batman deal with it, writers are always 100% accurate at all they do make mistakes. Not saying batman won't give him hell but in the end Batman will not last that long against Captain America because his body will start getting fatigue and will not react well because of that.

What proof are you talking about? I've seen no proof. You alright man?

Ok?? Brainchild81 So you did not see batman disappear right infront of the cop who was holding a gun from the pic that I posted? So you are going to tell me that you did not see it. 😆

You do not accept fact posted from batman's own book and you do not agree with braz post which discribed how batman was able to do such a thing. What will you accept as fact?

That's not the voted on one dude. Look @ you trying to be sarcastic! Marvel Vs DC, the one I thought we were talking about was voted on. Where does this one say they were fighting for hours? I've no doubts that Bats can fight for hours. I know that he can't outlast a man who has superhuman stamina though. I think I've got that book your pic is from back @ home. Isn't there a part where Batman says that Cap has the edge in speed?

Marvel vs DC was the one where batman said they have been fighting for ours and they were going nowhere fast. If you read the marvel vs. DC then why do you not know this. And remember this all started because you or either KING KAM said that batman has never said anything about him an captain america being equal.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
There's one thing from Cap that really makes a big difference in this, the fact that he doesn't fatigue....at all. As the scans on JLA/Avengers prove, batman acknowledge he could be conceivably beaten but in a long period of time, what he doesn't know is that his opponent doesn't really tire. Suppose Bat is even at his equal, he couldn't maintain his peak human performance as long as cap can.

I don't know about that, He tires, but his stamina is far superior to a normal human's ofcourse, but to say he never tires is to say he has cosmic or mystic energy flowing into him constantly like a Surfer or Champion let's say.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Doesn't show very well? Against who? Lady Shiva and Richard Dragon? 🤨 Beating Shiva's top 7 fighters without rest, Ra's Al Ghul, Cain, Nightwing, Priest... And he still DOES hold his own with Shiva, Richard Dragon, Batgirl, and Deathstroke. Name me one character from Marvel who has shown Shiva's level of martial arts prowess that Cap has been able to hold a candle to, and I'll give you your point.

Kicking down trees shows his striking power. His mastery over martial arts allows him to utilize his strength, so that he punches even arguably HARDER than Cap does. Bruce Lee could bench MAYBE 220. Yet he knocks a guy on his ass from an inch away, due to his technique. Skill accounts for a LOT more than you give it credit for. Strikes like that take an extreme amount of focus and training to pull off, it IS a testament to the amount Batman works at his fighting. (as you've also stated that Cap trains harder than Batman)

Cap is very good in a few styles. Skillwise, he's not extremely impressive, when you get to even batman levels, much less Shang Chi and Lady Shiva. Tactically, he's amazing. Physically, he's better than pretty much any other human, and THAT is what gets him wins.

On the other side of the coin, Batman has a VERY small physical disadvantage. He has worked for 4 days on end before, so his stamina really won't give out immediately, as pretty much all of you are suggesting. His body armor will do a great deal in absorbing blows. I've yet to see Cap's suit really prove itself in a semi realistic setting. Taking shots from Thor is in the same category as Batman getting whacked by Superman or slammed into the ground by Wonderwoman. Durability is basically equal, possibly a slight edge to Batman.

Now, Batman's advantage in skill is pretty large. His training is much more extensive, and he probably DOES have more h2h feats than Cap does, as Cap does not get to use his shield in this fight.

Oh, and as to Batman's comment... The dude's a genius. Supergenius, even. I really don't care what circumstances YOU would use the word "conceivably" in, Batman just talks like that. Its connotation is that of uncertainty. I REALLY don't know why I'd even argue about it, when you're just grasping at straws anyway.

Wheeee, long post.

Long but insightful..

This is difficult... I'd say Cap 6/10 but there's really no way to tell...

Originally posted by King KAM
you know what this post shows me? that you know absolutley nothing about real fighting,

Bruce Lees one in punch was a HOAX just like Bruce Lee was a HOAX, it AINT REAL, get it through your skull.

It doesnt matter how many s tyles you know, someone who knows kung-fu,eagle-claw,tiger-claw,Tae-kwon Do,gung -fu,drunken fist,and Karate STILL ,loses to a SLIGHTLY above average wrestler, 10/10 times, so how about you stop reading about fights and watching movies, and go get in some, and watch REAL fights, and then holla at me.

Bats takes shots from supes and wonder-woman, and then gets his face kicked in by Lady Shiva and DS sounds like some PIS to me..........why?? Because it is!, Bats is FAR away from caps level of staminam, because its not humanly possible to fight as long as cap can, take a Bio-physics class.they will tell you about fatiguing toxins that make you exhausted, and then you know that no matter how good of shape hes in, he CANT equal captains.

You are saying that someone who is not as old as cap, hasnt seen as many battles as cap and HAS to have an alter-ego, has more combat experience, thats impossible, batman leads 2 lives, cap only leads one.

And you my friend are grasping at straws, you are taking the connotation of the word "conceive" that best suits your arguments.Im taking the one that best suits mine.🙂

Bruce Lee's one inch punch was not a hoax, where you got that from, was it you who wrote of being an amature fighter? then you should know that MIX MARTIAL ARTS is KING in the ring KAM.
What is Mixed Martial Arts? A combination of different martial arts duh!!
And another thing ultimate fighter, you talk like you know so much about duking it out with someone, I'm not an amature or professional fighter, I'm from Uptown Manhattan Washington Heights NYC, the drug capitol of the Western Hemisphere, fights I've been in and fights I've seen have been in the street, and that controlled environment yall fight in is alot safer than the streets my man kam, there are rules, that's why Jiu Jitsu and Wrestlers do so well, in a setting where the floor dominates, andd restrictions are applied.
But take that same fighter and put him in the street against someone who won't think twice about ripping his cheek off with his fingers, or tearing his nose off with his teeth, or grabing his testicles and squeezing till he hears a pop, or eye gauging, should I go on...

By the way Henzo Gracie's younger brother 22years old(Pro fighter)was nearly killed in a fight in the streets of Brazil by some amature soccer player, soccer player broke his three fingers when he tried some lock on him, Pride or UFC would not allow finger breaking, so when some sticky grapler locks you, there's no way to escape except through brute strength, but if you could perform "illegal" moves that wouldn't be the case so much.

Originally posted by Jose123
wikipedia is unreliable and can be edit by anyone at any time. So You can't trust everything you read there.

Handbooks frequently get things wrong. Like Beast being higher in strength then Spider-man.

So why should we believe Captain America's bio, lol.
"perfect human" yada yada..

...Sure. Cap then?

Cap doesn't get tired thanks to the super soldier serum.

Batman has a vast amount of fighting skills in his arsenal.

Can Cap hold out if Batman hits him with a multiple of nerve shots that are disabling and crippling? I don't think so.

Batman wins because he is a better, skillful fighter.

If the fight were to go on for hours, then Cap would eventually win because as stated earlier, he does not tire.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Batman was burnt out during knight fall, if he had great stamina and endurance he wouldn't have gotten his back broken by Bane. Captain America is physically above Batman deal with it, writers are always 100% accurate at all they do make mistakes. Not saying batman won't give him hell but in the end Batman will not last that long against Captain America because his body will start getting fatigue and will not react well because of that.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Ok?? Brainchild81 So you did not see batman disappear right infront of the cop who was holding a gun from the pic that I posted? So you are going to tell me that you did not see it. 😆

You do not accept fact posted from batman's own book and you do not agree with braz post which discribed how batman was able to do such a thing. What will you accept as fact?

Marvel vs DC was the one where batman said they have been fighting for ours and they were going nowhere fast. If you read the marvel vs. DC then why do you not know this. And remember this all started because you or either KING KAM said that batman has never said anything about him an captain america being equal.

Originally posted by unknowable
I don't know about that, He tires, but his stamina is far superior to a normal human's ofcourse, but to say he never tires is to say he has cosmic or mystic energy flowing into him constantly like a Surfer or Champion let's say.

Originally posted by unknowable
Bruce Lee's one inch punch was not a hoax, where you got that from, was it you who wrote of being an amature fighter? then you should know that MIX MARTIAL ARTS is KING in the ring KAM.
What is Mixed Martial Arts? A combination of different martial arts duh!!
And another thing ultimate fighter, you talk like you know so much about duking it out with someone, I'm not an amature or professional fighter, I'm from Uptown Manhattan Washington Heights NYC, the drug capitol of the Western Hemisphere, fights I've been in and fights I've seen have been in the street, and that controlled environment yall fight in is alot safer than the streets my man kam, there are rules, that's why Jiu Jitsu and Wrestlers do so well, in a setting where the floor dominates, andd restrictions are applied.
But take that same fighter and put him in the street against someone who won't think twice about ripping his cheek off with his fingers, or tearing his nose off with his teeth, or grabing his testicles and squeezing till he hears a pop, or eye gauging, should I go on...

By the way Henzo Gracie's younger brother 22years old(Pro fighter)was nearly killed in a fight in the streets of Brazil by some amature soccer player, soccer player broke his three fingers when he tried some lock on him, Pride or UFC would not allow finger breaking, so when some sticky grapler locks you, there's no way to escape except through brute strength, but if you could perform "illegal" moves that wouldn't be the case so much.

2. Im from Oakland California also known as "cokeland" read about us, Crack was invented here, and Nino Brown from "new Jack City" was based on a reall life oakland drug lord named Felix Mitchell, so dont bring you hood up in this shit because, Oakland averaged from 2000-2003 more murders than ANYWHERE else in the world per capita, a city with under half a million people and an average of 120.1 murders a year, Now you think dont post no whack Henzo Gracies little brother shit, he got into a fight with another man who knew Jiu-Jitsu, if he didnt he woulda lost, i got 2 amaeture fights in which both guys knew Tae-Kwon DOi and Jeet-Kun DO(bruce lees art) and i Tapped the both out with EASE, one by Rear Naked Choke, The other by sstrikes from the mount. So I KNOW my craft is better, why because i live it, i dont JUST spectate

Cap still wins 10/10 for all you SUCKAS! 😒

Originally posted by xkalybr
Cap doesn't get tired thanks to the super soldier serum.

Batman has a vast amount of fighting skills in his arsenal.

Can Cap hold out if Batman hits him with a multiple of nerve shots that are disabling and crippling? I don't think so.

Batman wins because he is a better, skillful fighter.

If the fight were to go on for hours, then Cap would eventually win because as stated earlier, he does not tire.

Originally posted by Murda Mase
Actually I have a full run of Catain America the one that started at 100 and his Tales of Suspense appearnces.

I have Avengers #4 and about a 100 of the Avengers comics plus aall the New Avengers ones and all his current series.

I have about 4000 comics in total and 50 trades so yeah I'd say I do read comics.

Why wouldn't you trust something made by a Marvel afilliet and Marvel themselves, plus the Wikipedia profile was done by his fans who I'm sure know a great deal about him.

now how about you try and actually read them.....

Originally posted by xkalybr
Cap doesn't get tired thanks to the super soldier serum.

Batman has a vast amount of fighting skills in his arsenal.

Can Cap hold out if Batman hits him with a multiple of nerve shots that are disabling and crippling? I don't think so.

Batman wins because he is a better, skillful fighter.

If the fight were to go on for hours, then Cap would eventually win because as stated earlier, he does not tire.

He does tire, put it takes a long time.

Captain wins...

Originally posted by King KAM
2. Im from Oakland California also known as "cokeland" read about us, Crack was invented here, and Nino Brown from "new Jack City" was based on a reall life oakland drug lord named Felix Mitchell, so dont bring you hood up in this shit because, Oakland averaged from 2000-2003 more murders than ANYWHERE else in the world per capita, a city with under half a million people and an average of 120.1 murders a year, Now you think dont post no whack Henzo Gracies little brother shit, he got into a fight with another man who knew Jiu-Jitsu, if he didnt he woulda lost, i got 2 amaeture fights in which both guys knew Tae-Kwon DOi and Jeet-Kun DO(bruce lees art) and i Tapped the both out with EASE, one by Rear Naked Choke, The other by sstrikes from the mount. So I KNOW my craft is better, why because i live it, i dont JUST spectate

Cap still wins 10/10 for all you SUCKAS! 😒

I give a damn about Oakland, LOL
First of all you should stop googling who invented Crack, cause you lost.
Crack was invented by Dominicans, the biggest drug dealers ever save for the Colombians, and it's inventor was a Dominican man named YAYO. Which is where they got the slang name for Coke, although YAYO's name isn't pronounced like the slang word, it's pronounced YAHYO. And NINO BROWN himself said in the movie "the Dominicans and Colombians have shown us the way, - crack, - damn." SO, so much for Mr. Mitchell.
And I wasn't bragging about idiot gangbangers offing each other in record numbers, our thing is drugs, let yall nikkas kill each other for all I care.
And finally you made your opponents tap out, nice, but in a street fight I'm looking to tap out, I'll bite a chunk of flesh off your leg or arm, I'll prick your eyes out with my fingers, I'll knock myself out trying to bash your face in with my forhead, and on and on...

Originally posted by King KAM

2. Im from Oakland California also known as "cokeland" read about us, Crack was invented here, and Nino Brown from "new Jack City" was based on a reall life oakland drug lord named Felix Mitchell, so dont bring you hood up in this shit because, Oakland averaged from 2000-2003 more murders than ANYWHERE else in the world per capita, a city with under half a million people and an average of 120.1 murders a year, Now you think dont post no whack Henzo Gracies little brother shit, he got into a fight with another man who knew Jiu-Jitsu, if he didnt he woulda lost, i got 2 amaeture fights in which both guys knew Tae-Kwon DOi and Jeet-Kun DO(bruce lees art) and i Tapped the both out with EASE, one by Rear Naked Choke, The other by sstrikes from the mount. So I KNOW my craft is better, why because i live it, i dont JUST spectate

Cap still wins 10/10 for all you SUCKAS! 😒

So don't you throw in here your fighting statistics in a controlled environment, tell me how you bit someone's fingers off, and then we can discuss street fighting, on a level i can relate to.
Cuz with a ref in the middle, making sure we follow the rules, I've only been a "spectator", but when life is on the line, I know it, because i live it.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Ok?? Brainchild81 So you did not see batman disappear right infront of the cop who was holding a gun from the pic that I posted? So you are going to tell me that you did not see it. 😆

Originally posted by brainchild81

That pic din't show up either man.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
You do not accept fact posted from batman's own book and you do not agree with braz post which discribed how batman was able to do such a thing. What will you accept as fact?

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Marvel vs DC was the one where batman said they have been fighting for ours and they were going nowhere fast. If you read the marvel vs. DC then why do you not know this.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
And remember this all started because you or either KING KAM said that batman has never said anything about him an captain america being equal.

Originally posted by King KAM
you know what this post shows me? that you know absolutley nothing about real fighting,

Bruce Lees one in punch was a HOAX just like Bruce Lee was a HOAX, it AINT REAL, get it through your skull.

It doesnt matter how many s tyles you know, someone who knows kung-fu,eagle-claw,tiger-claw,Tae-kwon Do,gung -fu,drunken fist,and Karate STILL ,loses to a SLIGHTLY above average wrestler, 10/10 times, so how about you stop reading about fights and watching movies, and go get in some, and watch REAL fights, and then holla at me.

Bats takes shots from supes and wonder-woman, and then gets his face kicked in by Lady Shiva and DS sounds like some PIS to me..........why?? Because it is!, Bats is FAR away from caps level of staminam, because its not humanly possible to fight as long as cap can, take a Bio-physics class.they will tell you about fatiguing toxins that make you exhausted, and then you know that no matter how good of shape hes in, he CANT equal captains.

You are saying that someone who is not as old as cap, hasnt seen as many battles as cap and HAS to have an alter-ego, has more combat experience, thats impossible, batman leads 2 lives, cap only leads one.

And you my friend are grasping at straws, you are taking the connotation of the word "conceive" that best suits your arguments.Im taking the one that best suits mine.

What did you mean by bruce lee was a hoax???