Originally posted by Murda MaseNot true, Wonder Woman can lightspeed, one punch from WW and Storm is jelly. What's she going to do, summon a hurricane? Wonder Woman, spins in a circle fast and calms it. Please, it's two different levels.
I think thats fair Storm is like a God with her powers.If Batman can get the upper hand on WW then someone like that could.
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedI know it's voted on, who're you telling?
But you know the greatest flaw in those matches.......you know.[b]THAT IT IS VOTED UPON
It's like saying who'd win between Galactus vs. Superman. Superman has more fans and would certainly vote for him. Therefore he wins. [/B]
Originally posted by Juntai
Not true, Wonder Woman can lightspeed, one punch from WW and Storm is jelly. What's she going to do, summon a hurricane? Wonder Woman, spins in a circle fast and calms it. Please, it's two different levels.
Agreed with that. Storm is great and i certainly liked her uber going all out version. Any lesser opponents who doesn't have the same speed advantage would certainly have problems, but WW shouldn't have that at all and the way she was defeated was nothing short of absurd...being frozen by a blizzard.
Originally posted by JuntaiI think a brick hit Cap, but I don't really remember & I don't wanna go back to the city and look for it. Anybody got scans? It still doesn't matter anyway because that was a popularity contest and we all know that Batman is more popular than Cap.
Except every other encounter, and there was multiple afterwards, Bruce beat Azrael.And in DC vs Marvel, while people are considering it in this thread, Batman did beat Cap and saved him, and drug him out of the sewer.
Did Bats beat Az in h2h everytime after?
Originally posted by lifeisaglichCool pic, but we were talking about growing in someones mind. Does that look like growing in someone's mind to you?
So King KAM which one are you calling NON-canon Marvel vs. Dc or Detective comics #815 (Where batman dissappears in front of the cop)Ok brainchild81 here it is....
(Oh and King KAM are you saying this is NON-Canon?)
Originally posted by unknowable
yea yea,Internet geeks always resort to beating up their own monitors, LOL
everyone talks big in the safety and security of their homes, behind a screen when all there is to fear are fonts on a display, LOLOLOLOLBottom line,
1. Oakland did not invent Crack, A Dominican man named YAYO(pronounced YAHYO)in NYC invented Crack, you probably got that from some website too, didn't you, ---- come on, you did didn't you.2. You said you only need one style to win a fight and knowing many styles like Batman is pointless, yet even the Brazilians who invented that derivited of Jiu-Jitsu and wiped everyone out with it, realized they needed more when fighters more rounded started beating their faces in, hence Mixed Martial Arts = many fighting styles like Batman.
3. Yoy supposedly made some guy tap out during an amature fight ina ring or cage, I believe you,
but like I said before fighting in the streets is totally different than fighting in a ring or cage with a referee in a controlled environment, in the street, if you grapple me, forcing me to tap out, I will bite legs, arms, or a face to get out, I will claw eyes out and squeeze testicles until I feel them pop in my grip. The best thing would be to get one of your fingers in my mouth so I can hack it off with my teeth.My point is,
This is a street fight, and I think in terms of life and death Batman would out do Cap. Batman is deadlier.Cap wins 7-8/10 in a controlled environment. like Kam
Bats wins 6-7/10 in a life and death struggle. like Unknowable
internet geek am i??yet you post on this site just like i do, you jump into agruments, and then try to act like a know it all, peep these facts
Grappling Beats Striking 10/10 times unless the Striker is a fair grappler, but in this case its not, When Royce Gracie beat the hell out of those guys in the UFC there were NO rules, everything was allowed, and he dominated them with ease, Now other arts must learn BJJ to compete, without it you just get mangeled, and in this case cap is a world class wrestler, both greco-roman and freestyle, hes the best judo player on earth,and knows every Jui-jitsu finger Lock(eye gouge) joint move out there, Batman is a striker,who has never show good takedown defense, meaning hes pretty much your basic striker, who in this case gets mangeled, its not Mixed Martial Arts when all you do is Strike, considering After Boxing and Muay Thai, 99.9% of all other striking arts arent worth a shit.
You are sad, tyhinking that while i have someone in a rear naked choke that they can struggle to get out, considering that when i constrict you will lose conciousness in less than 3 seconds, and the whole time will be dramaticaly losing strength due to lack of oxygen to the brain. I want you to go to your Locaql BJJ school, and try that shit then tell me how many times it got you out.
In my life ive been in easily 25 street fights with total of atleast 23-1(ill admit that i got beat up by a guy who blind sided me in the 9th grade and out weighed me by 70 pounds, and played full back, i was only 5'2 and weighed a buck20) and 1 tie(i got into a fight with my friend and it got broken up). making me 23-1-1.
I get into fights on the Street, I DO muay-thai, and Boxing, not as advanced as my grappling, but im black, we naturally kinda know how to strike, and i have had formal trainng in those arts for about 3months, So i dont need to grapple anyone,JUST like cap ill throw hands all day, i only grapple opponents far too big for me to slug with(in excess of 25 pounds). In real life I win, in Controlled, I win, im not calling u a sucka, im simply stating that i get down both in and out of the ring.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "Batman will find a way to win", I'd be richer than Batman. Batman ususally has gadgets to help him find a way. He doesn't here. All he has here is that he knows more martial arts styles than a person who's so good and physically dominant that he doesn't need more martial arts styles. Batman loses this one folks
Originally posted by lifeisaglich😆 Drug abuse?
Then how do you explain batman dissappearing infront of the cop. With the cop looking at him??
Originally posted by lifeisaglichMaybe to weak minded cops and thugs. What notable person or Martial Artist has he done that to? And again does that look like growing in someone's mind to you? Where's the "Wrath of god"? Answer
So are you going to tell me that batman has the power to turn invisible?
Originally posted by Dizzle
No, Bruce Lee actually did it... He wasn't as godly a fighter as many would believe (coughJPcough) but he was the BEST when it comes to the philosophy aspect of fighting, and he was still physically amazing. He curled more than he benched, as I recall. Basically, he wasn't a great fighter, but the techniques he did invent were groundbreaking. He claimed, up to the day he died, that his art was nowhere near finished. Would it have been uber? Possibly. No one knows.A master in a variety of martial arts loses to a fairly competent wrestler? Not likely. Grappling has an advantage over striking, yes, but who the hell says Batman knows nothing about grappling? Mixed martial artists tend to do best when they predominantly specialize in grappling, but someone with no striking ability at all and fairly good wrestling will get shafted terribly against someone who knows what they're doing on their feet.
Getting whacked by Supes was the argument against "well... uh.. Cap got hit by Thor!!!!11~~~" So far, the only realistic durability feat is Batman taking a very large number of rounds to the chest from point blank and still managing to KO the guy. Stamina wise, he's not as good as Cap, but he's good enough that it'll make no difference. He has survived, unaided, in the vacuum of space for 24 seconds. He would've kept going, but Manhunter closed the airlock out of concern. (attatched)
Cap was frozen for a LONG portion of his career, and he didn't get the serum and didn't have any fighting experience until he got the serum. Both have had tons and tons of experience, but Batman's actual training was much longer and more intense.
... How is anything I've said grasping at straws? You originally argued that Batman conceded to Cap in JLA/Avengers. I posted the scan, and said you were wrong. You argued against the definition of the word "conveivably". And yes, it only has 1 definition.
And, by popular demand... Space.
Wow...did you see his face...
Batman.....Batman
Originally posted by Dizzle
Faster? I think not.This entire group of dudes with guns?
Does Cap REALLY have skills? He trained for a lil while after he got the serum, and that is IT. No more. The rest is on pure experience and physical prowess. He's not trained nearly as well as Bruce.
Holy crap, he DOES know 127 styles...
Again, his striking power is at least as good or better than Cap's, regardless of whether his actual strength is or not. And overall strength is VERY close as it is, witha very slight edge to Cap. (It's like benching 1000 pounds vs. benching 800 something...)
Physically, Cap is stronger. Speed is very close, possibly even an edge to Bats. Strength goes to Cap, striking power is pretty equal. Skill goes to Batman. Endurance goes to Cap, though Batman CAN and DOES last for a very long time before tiring. The fight won't drag on for days, fatigue won't be a factor.
5/10 each.
Oh, and as a side note, do you have ANY idea how many times Batman has beaten the living crap out of Bane? He lost once, and has destroyed him ever since. He was tired, whoop dee do. Low feat, or showing that he's human? Take your pick, Cap's lost before too.
Great scans Dizz,
and well thought out what you wrote...
makes sense...
5/10 each now seems fair to me.
Originally posted by Juntai
Except every other encounter, and there was multiple afterwards, Bruce beat Azrael.And in DC vs Marvel, while people are considering it in this thread, Batman did beat Cap and saved him, and drug him out of the sewer.
All this time they've been using that as reference and now we see Cap lost in it anyway.
Thanx for the update Juntai...
Originally posted by King KAM
internet geek am i??yet you post on this site just like i do, you jump into agruments, and then try to act like a know it all, peep these factsGrappling Beats Striking 10/10 times unless the Striker is a fair grappler, but in this case its not, When Royce Gracie beat the hell out of those guys in the UFC there were NO rules, everything was allowed, and he dominated them with ease, Now other arts must learn BJJ to compete, without it you just get mangeled, and in this case cap is a world class wrestler, both greco-roman and freestyle, hes the best judo player on earth,and knows every Jui-jitsu finger Lock(eye gouge) joint move out there, Batman is a striker,who has never show good takedown defense, meaning hes pretty much your basic striker, who in this case gets mangeled, its not Mixed Martial Arts when all you do is Strike, considering After Boxing and Muay Thai, 99.9% of all other striking arts arent worth a shit.
You are sad, tyhinking that while i have someone in a rear naked choke that they can struggle to get out, considering that when i constrict you will lose conciousness in less than 3 seconds, and the whole time will be dramaticaly losing strength due to lack of oxygen to the brain. I want you to go to your Locaql BJJ school, and try that shit then tell me how many times it got you out.
In my life ive been in easily 25 street fights with total of atleast 23-1(ill admit that i got beat up by a guy who blind sided me in the 9th grade and out weighed me by 70 pounds, and played full back, i was only 5'2 and weighed a buck20) and 1 tie(i got into a fight with my friend and it got broken up). making me 23-1-1.
I get into fights on the Street, I DO muay-thai, and Boxing, not as advanced as my grappling, but im black, we naturally kinda know how to strike, and i have had formal trainng in those arts for about 3months, So i dont need to grapple anyone,JUST like cap ill throw hands all day, i only grapple opponents far too big for me to slug with(in excess of 25 pounds). In real life I win, in Controlled, I win, im not calling u a sucka, im simply stating that i get down both in and out of the ring.
I post on here but I'm not the one making outrageous claims about my hood, and how many nikkas get killed next door to me, what difference does that make, I live in drug invested neighborhood, and yet nerds, fags and hard working law abiding citizens live here too. So from experience I hate when anybody tells me how bad their hood is as though that automatically reflects on how bad they are, that works on cats from the burbs, but I know how life is in the center of the slum.
That aside,
ok my bad for the insult, you spoke like a gentlemen and you explained yourself, --- but you did insult first.
Now I have to disagree with you completely on what you said,
"Grappling Beats Striking 10/10 times unless the Striker is a fair grappler"
dogs, how can you have the nuts to say that being a person who's involved in the sport of fighting. The UFC Top Dog is a striker, Chuck Liddell.
The Pride Fighting Top Dog is a striker, Fedor Emelianenko.
I watch UFC and Pride too, these cats never go to the floor.
By the way there where rules even then when UFC began, another fiction of your(no offense)but you can't just make things up. And the reason and only reason Gracies beat everybody was because there was no defense at that time for this new phenomenon, but that's different now, strikers have caught on, and now when you see a grappler with his one dimensional style flying at his opponents thighs or shins, he gets confused, cause he can't take his opponent down, meanwhile getting knocked in the face and ultimately knocked out.
And lastly, you may choke me out, like anyone else would if they had enough leverage and strength to keep in the neck lock, however, you gotta get behind me first. it reads easy but in a real world event with no prep, let's see who's thinking about head locking.
If you think in a street fight you already lost.
(I'm debating not insulting)
If Batman is obsessive enough to study every martial arts form, detective training, athletic training, gadgetry training, meditation and healing training, then why is it so difficult to assume that he has learned some hypnotic training as well.
That cop did not look too bright, and maybe with a little slight of hand, a little distraction, the proper words, a little hypnosis, then Batman looks like he disappears.
It is conceivable, and Batman would be the type of character to learn a trick like that.
Magicians do it all the time, albeit with cards and trinkets, but still possible.
Originally posted by xkalybr
If Batman is obsessive enough to study every martial arts form, detective training, athletic training, gadgetry training, meditation and healing training, then why is it so difficult to assume that he has learned some hypnotic training as well.That cop did not look too bright, and maybe with a little slight of hand, a little distraction, the proper words, a little hypnosis, then Batman looks like he disappears.
It is conceivable, and Batman would be the type of character to learn a trick like that.
Magicians do it all the time, albeit with cards and trinkets, but still possible.
can't daredevil do something similar like that?
