Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No its not other people have said otherwise even then I would like a quote.

Mantis only knows 1 martial art or only those taught by Priests of Pama and she was one of the best martial artists in the MU even before her upgrade.

But Batman is jsut better, not just because he knows more styles, he has more feats also

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Again Im not saying Cap is a bad Martial artist, I know hes one of the best in Marvel U

But Batman is jsut better, not just because he knows more styles, he has more feats also

He doesnt have more feats either, unless you would care to prove it.

He has more skill based feats, most of Caps combat feats have to do with his physical stats vs his actualy skill

and once again Black Panther already stated he fights more like a brawler

Bruces feats are mainly based off of skill

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
He has more skill based feats, most of Caps combat feats have to do with his physical stats vs his actualy skill

and once again Black Panther already stated he fights more like a brawler

Bruces feats are mainly based off of skill

Black Panther stated once "Coming from you that means a lot." He said that right after Cap gave Black Panther a compliment in fighting skill. Meaning Black Panther holds Cap in high regard in fighting ability.

So I doubt he said that.

A lot of people say a lot of things.

Doesn't change the fact that Captain America wins this fight. The physical advantages help, but they aren't his only winning ticket.

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
He has more skill based feats, most of Caps combat feats have to do with his physical stats vs his actualy skill

No they arent Cap still trains constantly even with the SSS, if the SSS was that good he wouldnt need to.

for the people picking cap do u think bats gadgets are more valuable to him than cap his shield since in the cross over where they fought they both had them and bats won so i dont see how u could pick cap unless u feel that bats gadgets are that superior to caps indestructable shield

for the people picking cap do u think bats gadgets are more valuable to him than cap his shield since in the cross over where they fought they both had them and bats won so i dont see how u could pick cap unless u feel that bats gadgets are that superior to caps indestructable shield

Originally posted by Raptor22
for the people picking cap do u think bats gadgets are more valuable to him than cap his shield since in the cross over where they fought they both had them and bats won so i dont see how u could pick cap unless u feel that bats gadgets are that superior to caps indestructable shield

Batman "won" the fan voted crossover, and even then it wasn't due to Batman's skill or gadgets. it was due to outside factors.

Captain America is stronger than batman but he will not be winning any fights against batman because of his strength. Because the difference is not that great.

As someone said if capt. wins is to not due to his fighting smarts but his endurance.

When some says that capt. is perfect because of sss this is a mute point because bat's is also perfect without the sss.

These people are dead even on one day capt. will win on another bat's will win. There is one getting more wins over the other.

And when it comes to fight smarts batman is smarter and this is reason why I split their winning streak in half. With a person like capt. batman's smarts is not always going to give him the battle. Just like Capt's. endurance is not always going to get him the win over batman.

Originally posted by Raptor22
for the people picking cap do u think bats gadgets are more valuable to him than cap his shield since in the cross over where they fought they both had them and bats won so i dont see how u could pick cap unless u feel that bats gadgets are that superior to caps indestructable shield

Heres a hint.... Captain America vs Batman "no shield-no gadgets"

They'd split even if both had their gear, but H2H Cap should take it 8/10.

Originally posted by Xzpunisher
All of his physical attributes, never said anything about his intellect

Hes a top notch tactician and thats about it

Bruce has him beat in intellect, get over it

Well he learned an alien martial art in a day so he must have something going on upstairs and to this 127 fighting style bossiness Bruce Lee was a master of kung fu and tai chi while he dabbled in a couple of others he eventually combined them into his own unique style just like our good Captain.

im well aware in this fight is with no shield/gadgets i was simply refrencingan earlier fight to gage how much of an advantage if any their shield/gadgets provide them.

Originally posted by Raptor22
im well aware in this fight is with no shield/gadgets i was simply refrencingan earlier fight to gage how much of an advantage if any their shield/gadgets provide them.

An earlier fight whose outcome hinged on outside forces and not skill, stats or gadgets.

Originally posted by Raptor22
im well aware in this fight is with no shield/gadgets i was simply refrencingan earlier fight to gage how much of an advantage if any their shield/gadgets provide them.

NOt to mention the marvel vs DC story was written by chimps and should never have been done all the fights hinged on not making either company look bad I just read the fight last night and Cap missed with his shield you know the one he can take a room full of viilians out with a single throw and batman clipped him in the head with a batarang while he was being washed out by a storm drain. lame. I would like to say I have been hard on bats but he is one of my favorite characters, I have more batman than cap comics but I gotta be real.

Alright, here's the dealio. Batman eats his greens and works the treadmill and spanks Robin to own his body and skills. Great. But he would've been killed a long f-ing time ago without his toys.

Future Superman tore Batman's belt off saying that it's always pissed him off that a little human was always beating the crap out of him with those gadgets, but without them, he's just a man. Future Superman went on to pimp smack Batman and almost crushed him with the Batmobile. Of course Cap's no Superman, but my point is Superman is right. Batman uses his toys like his life depends on it. Batman has to try his hardest to win even WITH his little belt. Cap has faced just as many super humans without a bag-o-tricks around his waist, and he was fine. He only got blown away because he wasn't fighting and was handcuffed.

Cap mostly fought World War II with nothing but his shield. He's also pwned Iron Man during the Civil War.

Captain America is THE peak of human potential. Batman is no stronger than fricking John Cena(you know, from WWE?) and can maybe greatly outrun purse snatchers and the like, but any dedicated man can get as fit as Batman. Look at Cassandra Cain. Peak-ish human potential, right? It seems anybody Batman farts on is suddenly peak human. Captain America can outperform any Olympic athlete who has ever lived, the SS Serum also peaked his intelligence, and it's clearly stated numerous times throughout his history that he's just one slight notch below super human. Cap IS physically and mentally better than Batman. Quite a few pegs better. So anyone debating this believing physical attributes makes the majority difference, Cap wins hands down.

Skill wise, without Batman's toys, he's just a really good martial artist. Cap doesn't need to rely on weapons. Besides his shield, Cap is a walking fighting machine who's endurance and strength outmatch Batman's. Bats gets in a few shots that might surprise or faze Cap, but ultimately Cap will school Batman. Takes him like Batman were an amateur.

How does Batman survive? The gadgets. If I had a billion dollars, I'm sure I could make a bunch of crap that could fell a bunch of planet pushers. That said, this fight is without the belt, right? That means his legendary prep-time doesn't make a difference unless he smuggles in a gas pellet and a gas mask the old fashioned way...

Originally posted by Master Court
Alright, here's the dealio. Batman eats his greens and works the treadmill and spanks Robin to own his body and skills. Great. But he would've been killed a long f-ing time ago without his toys.

Future Superman tore Batman's belt off saying that it's always pissed him off that a little human was always beating the crap out of him with those gadgets, but without them, he's just a man. Future Superman went on to pimp smack Batman and almost crushed him with the Batmobile. Of course Cap's no Superman, but my point is Superman is right. Batman uses his toys like his life depends on it. Batman has to try his hardest to win even WITH his little belt. Cap has faced just as many super humans without a bag-o-tricks around his waist, and he was fine. He only got blown away because he wasn't fighting and was handcuffed.

Cap mostly fought World War II with nothing but his shield. He's also pwned Iron Man during the Civil War.

Captain America is THE peak of human potential. Batman is no stronger than fricking John Cena(you know, from WWE?) and can maybe greatly outrun purse snatchers and the like, but any dedicated man can get as fit as Batman. Look at Cassandra Cain. Peak-ish human potential, right? It seems anybody Batman farts on is suddenly peak human. Captain America can outperform any Olympic athlete who has ever lived, the SS Serum also peaked his intelligence, and it's clearly stated numerous times throughout his history that he's just one slight notch below super human. Cap IS physically and mentally better than Batman. Quite a few pegs better. So anyone debating this believing physical attributes makes the majority difference, Cap wins hands down.

Skill wise, without Batman's toys, he's just a really good martial artist. Cap doesn't need to rely on weapons. Besides his shield, Cap is a walking fighting machine who's endurance and strength outmatch Batman's. Bats gets in a few shots that might surprise or faze Cap, but ultimately Cap will school Batman. Takes him like Batman were an amateur.

How does Batman survive? The gadgets. If I had a billion dollars, I'm sure I could make a bunch of crap that could fell a bunch of planet pushers. That said, this fight is without the belt, right? That means his legendary prep-time doesn't make a difference unless he smuggles in a gas pellet and a gas mask the old fashioned way...

It's too simple to assume, one has powers, and the other doesn't, and that's why he wins-- you have to take how the characters are written. Batman clobbers characters physically beyond him often.

So does Cap.