Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, because it's not like Batman hasn't kung-fu'd up Solomon Grundy, or Aquaman, or anyone physically superior to him before. Cap does this to- but Batman doesn't have a serum, but his feats can fairly overlay with Captain America- why? He's better at fighting. 😉
Hmm... You make an interesting point about the serum. I'll have to think about this.
Batman is not defined by his gadgets. When batman started out on his training he did not have any gadgets. It was him, the wilderness, and who ever was doing the teaching. All he had was the determination to become strong; a goal which he achieved. Batman became so good that, he is seen in the DC universe as one of the prominent martial artist, along with other unearthly titles like being one of the smartest minds on earth, or one of the greatest detectives. His style of combat has him standing on equal footing with people like Val Armor, and O-sensei (Ras al ghul’s father). Batman does not need gadgets to face people like Captain America, he already has an arsenal of technical knowledge from which to draw on.
On the other hand batman’s life does depend on the gadgets that he carries when his opponents are people who can bench press a planet or a truck. These people have the right to be ticked off at batman because that belt of his is the great equalizer. However, it most be realized that when batman faces people like Captain America for example, Prometheus, deathstroke, and bane he hardly uses his gadgets.
Captain America is peak human by marvel standard, batman is peak human by dc standards. Strength and endurance goes to captain America because of the SSS, but despite this advantage it is not enough to constantly give Capt. the win over batman.
Captain America will never win the majority of the battles. Batman’s knowledge of fighting ungodly power houses will come as a great advantage in this fight. Captain America fights ungodly power house too but he does so with the help of the SSS, batman does not have SSS but he does use his gadgets which do not always work and when this happens batman has to rely more on his training to keep him alive. And this is the reason why Captain America will never get the majority on batman.
I know what Captain America is capable of, that is why I cannot say that batman will always have the majority over the Capt.
I've thought about it.
I'm thinkin', without the serum, assuming Cap trained to Batman level fitness, maybe Cap would need a few of those gadgets. And WITH the serum, maybe Batman would need a few less.
So, if this battle is really trying to ask "Who is a better fighter?", hard to say. They both have impressive track records.
At this point, I'll say Batman gives Cap an impressive run for his money, but come on. Cap won World War II for us. I'm not gonna hammer that point, I'm just saying he deserves some respect for that. I like that Batman can keep Superman in check; I personally don't trust Superman. He's gone rogue before, he'll do it again.
But Batman isn't(barring bad cross-overs and ambiguous finishes) gonna beat a hardcore, amped up, war veteran who can get gritty and slug it out or be tactical and technical as the situation dictates.
So, rethinking it, I'm just gonna run this by you;
Batman and Cap measure each other up. Batman hard kicks a weak point, but Cap's amped abs don't budge too much. Cap punches, but Bats slips to the side and catches the arm. He flips Cap, but Cap's amazing agility sees him landing like a cat. Cap turns around in time to brace for a good right cross. He quickly recomposes and snags Batman's collar, getting a tight handful. He tosses Batman away. Batman lands, rolls with it, and is up on his feet. Batman does a huge back-flip over the charging Cap. Cap swiftly stops and times a good kick, nailing Batman in the gut just as he lands from the flip. Batman reels to his knees. He looks up and catches a hard left hook, and blacks out. 😎
Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, because it's not like Batman hasn't kung-fu'd up Solomon Grundy, or Aquaman, or anyone physically superior to him before. Cap does this to- but Batman doesn't have a serum, but his feats can fairly overlay with Captain America- why? He's better at fighting. 😉
Well Cap has feats without the SSS that overlay his feats with SSS. I guess Cap is better without SSS. 😉
In fact alot of his feats are not that impressive and dont match with Caps actually. In general Cap looks superior.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Cap has feats without the SSS that overlay his feats with SSS. I guess Cap is better without SSS. 😉In fact alot of his feats are not that impressive and dont match with Caps actually. In general Cap looks superior.
SSS is irrelevant, really. It enhanced Cap to peak human, Batman did the same thing with dedication. Both of them have to train to stay peak.
Batman's feats are not impressive? 🙄
Originally posted by grimify
SSS is irrelevant, really. It enhanced Cap to peak human, Batman did the same thing with dedication. Both of them have to train to stay peak.
Well people have stated that batmans peak human isnt the same as Caps.
Originally posted by grimify
Batman's feats are not impressive? 🙄
Relatively no they're not. Beating up 5 guys is not impressive etc.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well people have stated that batmans peak human isnt the same as Caps.
Definitely not. Batman isn't as strong as 10 men or can run a mile in a minute or has his super endurance etc etc. Or he isn't the next step in human evolution.
Batman fans who say so really don't know much about Cap.
Originally posted by lifeisaglichCaptain America gets the majority over batman not because he is vastly more skilled then batman (They are about equal in skills) but because having close to infinite endurance is to big an advantage (Steve Rodgers can tire but it takes a very very long time) when skill and will are equal endurance wins .
Batman is not defined by his gadgets. When batman started out on his training he did not have any gadgets. It was him, the wilderness, and who ever was doing the teaching. All he had was the determination to become strong; a goal which he achieved. Batman became so good that, he is seen in the DC universe as one of the prominent martial artist, along with other unearthly titles like being one of the smartest minds on earth, or one of the greatest detectives. His style of combat has him standing on equal footing with people like Val Armor, and O-sensei (Ras al ghul’s father). Batman does not need gadgets to face people like Captain America, he already has an arsenal of technical knowledge from which to draw on.On the other hand batman’s life does depend on the gadgets that he carries when his opponents are people who can bench press a planet or a truck. These people have the right to be ticked off at batman because that belt of his is the great equalizer. However, it most be realized that when batman faces people like Captain America for example, Prometheus, deathstroke, and bane he hardly uses his gadgets.
Captain America is peak human by marvel standard, batman is peak human by dc standards. Strength and endurance goes to captain America because of the SSS, but despite this advantage it is not enough to constantly give Capt. the win over batman.
Captain America will never win the majority of the battles. Batman’s knowledge of fighting ungodly power houses will come as a great advantage in this fight. Captain America fights ungodly power house too but he does so with the help of the SSS, batman does not have SSS but he does use his gadgets which do not always work and when this happens batman has to rely more on his training to keep him alive. And this is the reason why Captain America will never get the majority on batman.
I know what Captain America is capable of, that is why I cannot say that batman will always have the majority over the Capt.
The fights that batman wins would have to be won within the hour the longer the fight continues the more it favors steve rodgers.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Definitely not. Batman isn't as strong as 10 men or can run a mile in a minute or has his super endurance etc etc. Or he isn't the next step in human evolution.Batman fans who say so really don't know much about Cap.
Yah, except that, Batman.... is.
Cap fans who say otherwise don't know much about Bats.
Originally posted by grimify
Yah, except that, Batman.... is.Cap fans who say otherwise don't know much about Bats.
If he is it should be easy to find statements that Call Bruce the peak of human "potential".
"The perfect man."
"The next step in human evolution."
"A Super Man."
"Strength of 10 men".
But you can't because there not the same.
Originally posted by grimify
Yah, except that, Batman.... is.Cap fans who say otherwise don't know much about Bats.
Er no I have loads oif Batman and Cap comics. Hell just look at Brubakers run opn Cap and compare to a chunk of Batman, the feats are superior. Interestingly enough Brubakers whos written for both Batman and Captain America thinks Cap is superior to Batman.
Originally posted by grimify
Ah, ok... you're trolling. 🙂
How about you back up what you're saying instead of calling people trolls?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er no I have loads oif Batman and Cap comics. Hell just look at Brubakers run opn Cap and compare to a chunk of Batman, the feats are superior. Interestingly enough Brubakers whos written for both Batman and Captain America thinks Cap is superior to Batman.How about you back up what you're saying instead of calling people trolls?
My bad, maybe you weren't trolling, maybe you're just ignorant. 🙂
They can look similar.