Originally posted by Knightfall93
Just read over this thread THAT YOU STARTED and note hoe few people disliked BB and how many HATED Burton's BS
and i could care less. most ppl here are baleheads but ive talked on forums to bat-fans who werent brain-washed into believeing that BB is this god-send or something. it certainly wasnt, and it could have been 100 times better. this was one of the worst movies of the year IMO, but you dont have to agree with me. stupid hollywood trash is all it is. not artistic bat-motifs or anything. this movie was bad hollywood tripe BS. nolan sucks bigtime.
Originally posted by Batman Returns
and i could care less. most ppl here are baleheads but ive talked on forums to bat-fans who werent brain-washed into believeing that BB is this god-send or something. it certainly wasnt, and it could have been 100 times better. this was one of the worst movies of the year IMO, but you dont have to agree with me. stupid hollywood trash is all it is. not artistic bat-motifs or anything. this movie was bad hollywood tripe BS. nolan sucks bigtime.
Okay, first of all, I have yet to see anyone talk only about how awesome Bale was. Basically everyone loved the MOVIE, which is the whole damn point to begin with. Secondly, calling BB "hollywood tripe BS" is about the lamest comment ever for this movie. BB was like the total opposite of a hollywood BS film. It had essence and not just big budget explosions and good effects.
well thats you. go to IMDB and you'll no what i mean. it was still boring though. dont promote your movie as an "action"movie if its just gonna have talk talk talk in it. geez, how lame can you get. but what irks me the most, is that people in Hollyweird have to REVAMP everything.
Here's a few items:
1. Thomas & Martha take their kid to an opera. What the...? In the original books, it was the movie 'Mark of Zorro'. Who takes a kid to the opera?
2. Ra's Al Ghul becomes his mentor, then his enemy. Anyone familiar w/the comics KNOWS that Ghul comes in later in his career.
3. Bruce seems to get help from every direction. This flick turns him into a semi-co-dependant whiner (on occasion). not the hard-as-nails, bootstrap, perfectionist, be-prepared-for-everything character we've all come to admire in the Keaton/Burton films.
4. Lucius Fox becomes his armorer. And lo & behold! Everytime the hero needs a device, or armor, or even mobility, YIPPEE! Welcome to Comic Book Hero Convenience store, your 1-stop shopping for all your super-hero needs! Wonder if they've got a spare Green Lantern ring?
5. I dunno about anyone else, but I rather preferred Al Ghul as the eco-terrorist, rather than some existential nihilist (why on earth anyone would try to cure civilization's ills by destroying Gotham is anyone's guess: just another stupid revamp done by some ghost-writer on a coke binge, is my guess).
The fight scenes were too fast edited, the special effects were less then amazing. Katie Holmes not wearing a bra wasn't really eye candy for me, ew, not all that great.
So I gave it a 3. Fun watch, but not more than once.
& I repeat: it ain't broke, don't fix it. Original storylines were great? Why rewrite the bleedin' thing?
1. Thomas & Martha take their kid to an opera. What the...? In the original books, it was the movie 'Mark of Zorro'. Who takes a kid to the opera?
The opera was better because it further showed Bruce's fear of bats and gave the story more depth by making it possible for Bruce to feel more responsible for his parent's death.
2. Ra's Al Ghul becomes his mentor, then his enemy. Anyone familiar w/the comics KNOWS that Ghul comes in later in his career.
Ra's being his mentor and then enemy is just fantastic story writing. If they hadn't taken that approach then I can't imagine Ra's getting a much better story if he got one at all.
3. Bruce seems to get help from every direction. This flick turns him into a semi-co-dependant whiner (on occasion). not the hard-as-nails, bootstrap, perfectionist, be-prepared-for-everything character we've all come to admire in the Keaton/Burton films.
This is Batman Begins, cut the poor guy some slack. He was still new to the whole ordeal and being prepared for "every possible situation" would make the movie seem stupid and unrealistic.
4. Lucius Fox becomes his armorer. And lo & behold! Everytime the hero needs a device, or armor, or even mobility, YIPPEE! Welcome to Comic Book Hero Convenience store, your 1-stop shopping for all your super-hero needs! Wonder if they've got a spare Green Lantern ring?
Where the hell else would Bruce have gotten his supplies? Made them? If you're going to whine about something like that then at least provide a plausible alternative take on it.
5. I dunno about anyone else, but I rather preferred Al Ghul as the eco-terrorist, rather than some existential nihilist (why on earth anyone would try to cure civilization's ills by destroying Gotham is anyone's guess: just another stupid revamp done by some ghost-writer on a coke binge, is my guess).
The fight scenes were too fast edited, the special effects were less then amazing. Katie Holmes not wearing a bra wasn't really eye candy for me, ew, not all that great.
Ra's wasn't planning on curing the world just by attacking Gotham. If you'd have listened then you'd hear that he attacks all major cities when they become too decadent or corrupted. The fight scenes could have been better, I will give you that, but attacking the movie just because the set was apparently cold during Kaite Holmes Arkham scenes? Surely even you can do better than that.
Originally posted by atharpina
[B]>The opera was better because it further showed Bruce's fear of bats and gave the story more depth by making it possible for Bruce to feel more responsible for his parent's death.
still didnt have to alter it. could have been at the mark of zorro and would have made no difference. this is your opinion only, not fact.
>Ra's being his mentor and then enemy is just fantastic story writing. If they hadn't taken that approach then I can't imagine Ra's getting a much better story if he got one at all.
not to me. ras neeson was just playing off his "mentor" stuff from TPM. i found him totally un-interesting, and IMO he didnt resemble ras from the comics. maybe ras didnt have to BE in BB so soon.....and then they could have developed cranes character more. as i said, he shouldnt have even BEEN in BB if nolan really wanted to stay true to the comics. thus proveing BB wasnt as faithful as everyone claims.
>This is Batman Begins, cut the poor guy some slack. He was still new to the whole ordeal and being prepared for "every possible situation" would make the movie seem stupid and unrealistic.
batman IS un-realsitic, no matter how "human" he may be. hes a superhero, not some CIA agent. sorry but nowhere in the comics have i ever read bruce going to lucious fox and getting all his stuff there like hes james bond or something. thats no excuse, batman takes the time, be it YEARS, to develop his equipment without any help. this was total canon and made bruce wayne seem very dependant on others. they could have done this another way but it made him look......dare i say it.....kiddie.
>Where the hell else would Bruce have gotten his supplies? Made them? If you're going to whine about something like that then at least provide a plausible alternative take on it.
ooo, this is where the fun begins. well, since im a comic book reader, the best alternative, "realism" aside, would be that bruce comes back from training, and then takes YEARS to build his materials. taking ideas from different wayne-tech products, and then in the batcave improving on them to fit his needs. then, fast-foward about....3 years and then batman should really be set to make his war on crime. now THAT makes more sense then the hollywood-inized version we got in BB. in B89, we were not shown how bruce got all is stuff, but that works to the films advantage cuz then we can assume he was preparing himself for YEARS, not just like he flew back home and went to comic-book hero shop for his stuff. geez, how "realistic".
>Ra's wasn't planning on curing the world just by attacking Gotham. If you'd have listened then you'd hear that he attacks all major cities when they become too decadent or corrupted. The fight scenes could have been better, I will give you that, but attacking the movie just because the set was apparently cold during Kaite Holmes Arkham scenes? Surely even you can do better than that.
plot was silly and way too complicated for my tastes. nobody i went with seemed to know WHAT was going on until the 2nd 3rd veiwing and even THEN they didnt know. I personally STILL dont know exactly how that STUPID plot with that microwave sh** works, nor do i care. if something doesnt grasp me immideitly, i lose interest. as for katie holmes, i just dont think she was right for the role. i still have no idea why she was casted. worst actress ever to be in a batman film. her character wasnt even based off the comcis! she was "invented" by ass nolan and goyer. at least burton used a real comic based character as his "leading lady". holmes is 2nd only to nicole kidman as most useless (and most un-appealing) actress to be in a batman movie. say what you will, that you CANT change.
her getting a razzie also makes this a known fact.
Well, BR, I guess that's just a matter of your intelligence. If you and your friends aren't smart enough to figure out the story then thats your problem and not mine. Oh and while I'm already responding, Katie Holmes may not have been the best actress in the world and her character may not have been all over Batman the whole time, but she certainly wasn't useless. I'll come to Katie's defense, I found the Rachel character very different and intresting
Y'know...there is so much I could say...but first I'll address the costume issues that were in the initial post...I'm sure someone else did already, but I'll reiterate..."in two or more witnesses...."
The complaint revolved around the new costume not having long enough ears and a lame lack of an emblem...which differed from the Comics.
Okay...well, are you NOT aware of the changes in the costume over the last half century?! I think that just about covers it. Don't claim to be a comic fan if you are THAT mis-informed. I stopped reading after than...you lost all credibility.
Originally posted by Batman Returns
wow, the maturity level in here has grown since last time i was here, lol. im sorry man, but i gotta say that im not in the minority, BB was bad and just about everyone i know and have talked to didnt like it as well. you gonna say im wrong, well ya cant. haha d***head.
the guy is still living in denial as always that he is in the minority on batman fans not loving batman begins. 😆
Originally posted by Knightfall93
I know but I just read all the posts so I still comment on what others say when its new...
actually that was directed at mainstream that he should have read through all these posts before responding to his thread.If he had done that,he would realise this guy is just posting here to get reactions out of people,he's not here to discuss anything,he just made this thread to get reactions out of people,he's not even a batman fan like he claims.again i wish people like mainstream would read through all the other posts on this thread instead of just responding to his opening thread because if they did,they would realise they are just giving him the satisfaction of egging him on. 🙄 his points are laughable and without merit unlike rafkins.
Originally posted by tlbauerleOkay...well, are you NOT aware of the changes in the costume over the last half century?! I think that just about covers it. Don't claim to be a comic fan if you are THAT mis-informed. I stopped reading after than...you lost all credibility.
And that my good man deserves the Golden Seal of Approval. 👆
Excellent observation.
The changes Nolan made were fairly minor compared to Burton. I thin kBurton's films were decent enough, but as a true representation of the Batman comics, and Animated Series, Begins is the nearest there's been.
Not only that, but it's a cracking film in its own right. I personally thought it was the best film of 2005 and I watch a wide range of films, not just action/superhero ones.