Batman Begins.........Horrible "reinvention".

It finished 5th mainly because of:
a) In this day and age, comics are considered lame and childish, most people think batman= Lame Guy in Gay Costume
b) It came after the 2 travestys that I refer to from now on as Forever Crap and Rubbish as they do ot deserve the names of the great Bat family
c) Film viewers kike watching crap. Of course it came after Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (a CLASSIC story) because parents and kids all wanna see it, it's pure classic. Even though Burton turned it into a drugged up crapfest!

this thread. seriously. needs to die

Amen!

I now declare this thread... ignored. The next person to speak on it can just go on my ignore (though that's not a problem for them so i dunno why)

Originally posted by braz
this thread. seriously. needs to die

Yes it needs to die but again it wont until all these idiot newbies stop coming on here and posting. 😠 one of them just went and resurrected and old dead thread that HAD been dead for over a year. 🙄 sheesh some people.

Truly great movies appeal to a broad audience, like Batman (1989). Batman Begins was more of a cult hit. It appealed to more to big Batman fans. Over time, most people will say the first was better than Begins.

And Mr. Parker, chill out. So what I don't agree with you and resurrected an old thread? It was good thread.

at this moment, batman begins is considered a better movie (not a better batman movie) as batman returns who was also high ranked in the greatest movies of all time by empire...but I dont always share Empire's opinion...I think Batman Returns was certainly as good as Batman Begins and they didn't even rank them close

Okay... let's just agree on one thing.... this thread will never die until we are all in fact dead and gone already.... even then someone in the year 2097 will come along and say "Ooh... what's this in the dead threads pile? I just might have to resurrect this puppy!" And it will all happen again!

So its not going to go away.... EVER!

Besides, even if it did one of us would miss it too much and bring it back... its just been on our list of things to obsess over a wee bit too long... we've grown too attached to the bloody thing!

So in conclusion.... well, actually I've completely forgot my first initial reason for commenting at all........... my bad.

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
it wont until all these idiot newbies stop coming on here and posting.

😄 Love the "newbies" bit!! Thats what the new people should be officially called!! 😛

Guys, I reckonthis thread really neededs closing (BB was in my view a better general film a well as a Batman film) but i must say "see ya soon" as I might be temp banned after receiving the PM from Digi...

k if u think half-full

at least it's still the same thread, as opposed to opening another one exactly like it....

people b*tch about opening similar threads AND also b*tch about it when someone actually uses the SEARCH function and resurrects an old one

can't win either way 😎

Originally posted by JackN
Truly great movies appeal to a broad audience, like Batman (1989). Batman Begins was more of a cult hit. It appealed to more to big Batman fans. Over time, most people will say the first was better than Begins.

And Mr. Parker, chill out. So what I don't agree with you and resurrected an old thread? It was good thread.

err no that will never happen.Batman Begins was done because movie goers and fans alike were disgusted with Batman 89 and the choice of Keaton for the role because of how he didnt even come close to fitting the part.Plus many people have voiced their outrage over Burtons Pathectic version over the years which is why Nolan wanted to give the batman fans a movie loyal to the comicbook. and if you would bother to read through this thread JackN you would notice most people here are getting sick of people coming on here posting bringing it back to the top of the page instead of just letting the thread die already. 🙄

Originally posted by JackN
Batman Begins was not a good movie. It was boring. It did the fifth best in box office sales in the SUMMER of 2005. 1989's Batman was the top movie of that year. And that was a year with good movies, unlike 2005. Enough said.

Still clueless as usual I see. Box office sales doesnt dictate how good a movie is.that is such moronic logic. 😆 Of course Batman 89 made more money than Begins did.It did so because of two reasons. It was the FIRST Batman movie made back then and it was promoted MUCH better by far. 🙄 I made a thread last summer in this section voicing my concern that Batman Begins would not do so well at the box office because of those two reasons which I though was a shame since it appeared to me that unlike Burton,Nolan was pushing all the right buttons to make a movie loyal to the source material which turned out to be correct.Batman 89 being the very first batman movie had a lot to do with its success.People back then had been waiting ages for a batman movie to be made.There had been talk about it being made for years prior to that so people back then were very anxious to see a batman movie brought to the screen.Not so with Batman Begins since there were already FOUR Batman movies that moviegoers could pop into their VCR'S and watch anytime they wanted if they just wanted to see a batman movie.so that enthusiam wasnt there last summer like it was back in 89.Also unlike Batman 89,Batman Begins was horribly promoted which was a major concern of mine that it would not do well at the box office.Many people didnt know that movie was out till it came out in the theaters because they didnt start promoting it till like a couple months before it came out in the theaters.That wasnt the case with Batman 89.The marketing department for Batman 89 did a BRILLIANT job of promoting and marketing their film.They had posters and trailers in theaters a YEAR!! before the movie came out advertising the film. with merchandise in stores as well a year in advance.The marketing department for batman begins royally screwed up and didnt mass advertise for some inexplicable reason where Batman 89's marketing department did a brilliant job of marketing their movie.THATS the explanation for why Batman 89 did so much better than Begins did.NUFF SAID. 😛

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Okay... let's just agree on one thing.... this thread will never die until we are all in fact dead and gone already.... even then someone in the year 2097 will come along and say "Ooh... what's this in the dead threads pile? I just might have to resurrect this puppy!" And it will all happen again!

So its not going to go away.... EVER!

Besides, even if it did one of us would miss it too much and bring it back... its just been on our list of things to obsess over a wee bit too long... we've grown too attached to the bloody thing!

So in conclusion.... well, actually I've completely forgot my first initial reason for commenting at all........... my bad.

😕

agreed. Im afraid your right. 😄

Originally posted by Mr Parker
agreed. Im afraid your right. 😄

Afraid, eh?

Why must you fear me Mr. Parker? Why!

MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

😆

I am such a dork........

The point of talking about the box office sales was to simply say how the general audiences liked the film. That still does not prove how good a movie is, but it does still say something about its popularity.

The reason I think Batman Begins was not as popular is it did not appeal to a wide audience, particularly children. Promotions are a factor, but more so in the first couple of weekends. Godzilla 98 made something like 90 million in its first weekend, but then quickly dropped down because it was not that good. Batman Begins opened well too, but dropped off too. Really popular movies like Batman 89 did well for several weeks. Again, this does not prove how good a movie is, but box office sales can still be an indication.

Here is some interesting trivia:

Originally, Joel Schumacher was to direct the fifth Batman movie, titled Batman Triumphant, with George Clooney and Chris O'Donnell reprising their roles as the Dynamic Duo, with both Steve Buscemi and Jeff Goldblum considered (and at one point Howard Stern was rumored) to play The Scarecrow. However, the poor critical and public reception of Batman and Robin led Warner Bros. to quickly squash development of this sequel. Warner Bros. still intended to revisit the franchise, but with a smaller film, emphasizing characters and especially Batman himself, as well as returning to the darker roots of the Burton films. But less than a year after the failure of Batman and Robin Schumacher returned with a pitch to restart the franchise by writing and directing an adaptation of Frank Miller's Batman: Year One. Though having no interest in bringing Schumacher back to the project, the "Year One" pitch piqued enough interest to remain in development, culminating with the hiring of Darren Aronofsky in 2000 to direct the feature, with him and Frank Miller co-writing. Around the same time Warner Bros. began developing a Batman vs. Superman film, to be directed by Wolfgang Petersen and written by Andrew Kevin Walker. A third project, a live action version of Batman Beyond, with Paul Dini and Alan Burnett hired for scripting duties, was also in development, though this project was terminated very early in the development process. Peterson, unable to make any progress with Batman vs. Superman in terms of the script and casting, eventually left to make Troy. Soon after Warner Bros. ended production on Aronofsky and Miller's project, being dissatisfied with their take, which was focused as a revenge tale set in the 70s, reminiscent of films like Death Wish. Before settling on Nolan to begin developing the project from scratch, Joss Whedon had pitched a smaller, character-oriented origin story, though ultimately Warner Bros. passed.

think the person for the first post is way off....dont you get the meaning of Batman Begins. you keep comparing to the other movies, its a rough walkthough of the developement of the batman character. No, kidding the costume doesnt have the perfect batwing capes like the other movies. get a clue ITS THE BEGINNING.....you gimp. I could an on like a fool like ol boy did, babbling forever and being overly critical.

Originally posted by JackN
The point of talking about the box office sales was to simply say how the general audiences liked the film. That still does not prove how good a movie is, but it does still say something about its popularity.

The reason I think Batman Begins was not as popular is it did not appeal to a wide audience, particularly children. Promotions are a factor, but more so in the first couple of weekends. Godzilla 98 made something like 90 million in its first weekend, but then quickly dropped down because it was not that good. Batman Begins opened well too, but dropped off too. Really popular movies like Batman 89 did well for several weeks. Again, this does not prove how good a movie is, but box office sales can still be an indication.

With a movie like Harry Potter it would because many people such as myself had never heard of harry potter before it came out but thats not the case with Batman.he is an extremely popular character.no way does it do so well like it did without the well built in fan base it already had.well your thinking wrong.I just explained that people like children where not enthusiastic about it because there were already four batman movies that had been made so there was not that urge to go there like there was with 89.they could ALREADY pop in a vcr tape and see a batman movie when they wanted to.not so with batman 89.and comparing godzilla to batman is lame.godzilla is much more popular overseas that it is in the states.sure it dropped off,it didnt have the general audience members backing it like batman 89 did because it wasnt new like 89 was so the freshness wasnt there.I guarantee if the marketing had been there for that film like it was for batman 89,the box office totals would be much different.

by the way,what were you smoking when you watched batman 89? 😆 I thought that batman returns was the only one that made ludicrise statements like batman begins was boring. 😆 Batman Begins as knightfall pointed out had MUCH MUCH more action in it like a batman movie SHOULD have.batman 89 was a boring crapfest with just just a bunch of people standing around talking practically the whole tile for the first hour in a half with just a few minor action scenes here and there.what a a snoozefest of a movie.talk about BORING. 🙄 batman 89 was 10X more of a boring snoozefest than batman begins was.

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
Afraid, eh?

Why must you fear me Mr. Parker? Why!

MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

😆

I am such a dork........

I fear you because as your message under your user name says-you are a crazy person. 😄