The Bible is based on Astrology..

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would never say your right don't matter.

Furthermore, simply because I believe that rights are a human construct does not mean that I don't support them--our country is founded upon the basis of rights, and thus they ought to be defended...unless these man-made "rights" tread into the territory of the unethical and/or immoral.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
1) Your repeated irritable display may be a result of your stubborn decision to remain a virgin. I suggest you lose your virginity fast before you explode.

2) I do not have "serious issues" with Christianity. I made my peace with it. All I am telling Nellinator is that I hope he does not try to apply his own decisions onto other people. He has no right to do that.

3) Religion, like "rights" is also a human construct. I don't see what you are trying to say here.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I know that, but he is trying to use the tool of a "human construct" to justify his claim that what we think are rights don't truly exist.

He has a point, up until he tries to argue that God is the creator of those rights. Religion is just as much a human construct as "rights" are. And for all he knows, his God is also a human construct.

Without God, there is no equality, and Darwinism rules with an iron fist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is rationalization. Ether the people who wrote the bible did understand, or they did not. I believe they did not understand the true nature of reality, and neither do we. If you try to use the hidden truth argument, I will have to ask you why are you right and everyone else wrong? Why is the bible true and not the Koran? There is no hidden truth; no special way of looking at the bible to get some concealed truth. I was a Christian, and I believed in that, but what I saw was evil people using the bible to get what they want. So, forgive me if I don't trust your interpretation.

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
I respect and understand that you have chosen the Bible as your source of guidance, and that it has not failed you so far. I do not expect you to betray your Faith to it and discipline towards it.

If it works for you, and I am sure you will claim that it has, then I am all for it. I am all for your Faith and practice, because of the good you feel it has done in your life.

What I am not for, however, is any attempt you may make to either limit the freedom of another person or any attempt you may make to impose your religion and practice on another.

This includes but is not limitted to:

-Voting to pass a law to ban Gay Marriage
-Voting to pass a law or enabling an act which disparages another religion or limits the freedoms and speeches of other religions and cultural groups
-Attacking another's religion or belief or life choices in a way which is illogical, hateful, closed minded, unfounded, etc.- like Marcello had done

You may notice I did not include anything about Abortion. The reason being, I do not see Abortion as a "religious" issue, but as a "life or death" and "freedom of choice" issue alone.

I hope you understand my point. I am fine if you are personally against Gay Marriage, alternate lifestyles, other religions, or what not. What I am not okay with is if you try to take action to limit another person and/or try to impose your own choices onto them.

That is not your right to do so. I hope you understand that.

It is in fact my right to vote however I choose. "Rights" have nothing to do with it. That is the principle of democracy. What I choose to do with my "right" is entirely my choice. If the option were available to vote for the oppression of certain groups, it would be my "right" to vote for that oppression if I so chose because that would simply mean the "rights" constructed by my nation would include that. You may hope that I don't, which would be a valid request, but saying that I don't have the "right" is erroneous.

Originally posted by Nellinator
- I don't have that opportunity
- I wouldn't, but I don't have that ability anyways
- I don't

It is in fact my right to vote however I choose. "Rights" have nothing to do with it. That is the principle of democracy. What I choose to do with my "right" is entirely my choice. If the option were available to vote for the oppression of certain groups, it would be my "right" to vote for that oppression if I so chose because that would simply mean the "rights" constructed by my nation would include that. You may hope that I don't, which would be a valid request, but saying that I don't have the "right" is erroneous.

everything is infinite conciousness therefore god exists within us all.

Originally posted by Deano
everything is infinite conciousness therefore god exists within us all.

consciousness doesn't exist

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
...Furthermore, simply because I believe that rights are a human construct does not mean that I don't support them--our country is founded upon the basis of rights, and thus they ought to be defended...unless these man-made "rights" tread into the territory of the unethical and/or immoral..

Ethics and morals are also man made.

Originally posted by Deano
everything is infinite conciousness therefore god exists within us all.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ethics and morals are also man made.

I am based on astrology.

😐

Me too!

Lets sing the happy song.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Refute my arguments.

If there is no God, then yes.

If god made ethics and morals, then why are there so many different once around the world? Don't tell me that your ethics and morals were made by god but everyone eases was not.

I think it's retarded how you could call god omniscient and perfect, and then tell me I'm going against God. If God was perfect and omniscient, it would be impossible to go against him. He invented the world in his view and the way he wanted it, so how the hell can people within the world do what he doesn't want? That's not a very good God. Therefore, ethics aren't something by God, if God is perfect, anything God doesn't want, doesn't exist.

So, gays and black people are good, walking on water is bad.

Flawed logic to say the least.

Originally posted by Boris
Me too!

Lets sing the happy song.

Let's!!

http://www.radioblogclub.com/open/53832/happy_song/Royal%20gigolo%20-%20Happy%20Song

woot

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ethics and morals are also man made.

some of us are and do

Not many though...

The "outside the box" thinking are.

enough do

out side the box??

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If god made ethics and morals, then why are there so many different once around the world? Don't tell me that your ethics and morals were made by god but everyone eases was not.

Everyone has the moral law written on their hearts which instructs them to do what is right. However, "every imagination of the thoughts of [man's] heart [is] only evil continually"; ergo, their sin has perverted the moral law.

I think it's retarded how you could call god omniscient and perfect, and then tell me I'm going against God. If God was perfect and omniscient, it would be impossible to go against him.

He invented the world in his view and the way he wanted it, so how the hell can people within the world do what he doesn't want?

That's not a very good God. Therefore, ethics aren't something by God, if God is perfect, anything God doesn't want, doesn't exist.