Revan vs Exar Kun (without Sith amulets/power amplification)

Hmm Revan is described as a great scholar who learned everything that he could from the Jedi and the Sith.

He did plunder Korriban himself and he had his students plunder other parts of the planet. He had Tulak Hord his holocron Ajunta Pall his blade, killed the spirit of Pall and managed to regain his memorry's, even though that was described as impossible by the Jedi Council and Bastila. Every said he could never relearn what he had been taught and yet all of a sudden only 6 months after the events of the Star Forge Revan has his memorry back.

Also don't forget Malachor, a planet sized Sith library that Revan had access too... Revan learned a lot, he won't beat Kun in a fight probably, but Revan has learned a lot more then you think.

Yes, but then compare this to what Kun learned.

Sure, Revan learned what he could from the Jedi... and what could this be, exactly? They lost a huge trove of knowledge when Ossus was destroyed, and they lost much of the keepers of said knowledge to Exar Kun's assassinations. Kun was trained when all of this was available, meaning it's more likely that Kun learned more than Revan did.

Similarly, with the Sith, Kun reached Korriban before Revan was even born. He had scrolls from Nadd's tomb, along with practically everything Sadow ever wrote on Yavin 4, not to mention Sadow's equipment. It was all described as "more wealth and knowledge than (Kun) could ever use."

Revan learned much, but not as much as Exar Kun.

Exar may or may not have more knowledge than Revan. But Revan knows how to put the knowledge he gained (from Korriban/Malachor/deep scary outer regions of the galaxy that no one would dare to go) to good use.

The reason I say this is because while Exar Kun has ambition, Revan seems far more intelligent. He would essentially master ancient sith secrets and lightsaber forms faster than old Exar.

But it would be a close fight though....

To claim that Revan is more intelligent than Exar begs for proof. Your other claims (that Revan puts knowledge to good use, thereby implying that Exar doesn't and that he'd master the Sith teachings and lightsaber forms faster than Kun) also beg for proof.

Got any? Or is it just speculative nonsense?

There was six months in between the events of Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War, during which Exar Kun reached close to the pinnacle of his personal strength whereas before he only stalemated Ulic Qel-Droma in a lightsaber fight.

This shows that Exar Kun, too, is a prodigy. Freedon Nadd described him as having "ambition without limit."

This is not to mention that Exar Kun is not... "old" as you put it. He's late twenties at the most at the end of the Sith War.

Exar Kun had access to more knowledge and arguably far better knowledge. He's going to tool Revan in this fight.

Not pure speculation at all

Revan was a tactical genius, we can all agree on that. He outwitted Mandalore and the Republic. Canderous stated that it was only by the efforts of the Jedi Revan that the Mandalorian Wars sided to the Republic's favour.

Revan mastered vast amounts of Sith techniques in a very short time period (5-6 months, maybe even less), he was talented in multiple combat arts (I assume he defeated Yusanis in vibroblade or hand to hand combat and same deal with Mandalore). If he can pick up all these things in such short time periods, then he's probably a genius. He designed the high performance HK-47 assassin model (all you KOTOR players know how good this homocidal droid is ), which requires a significant amount of knowledge in engineering and mathematics.

If thats not enough, he possessed adequate amount of foresight and skill to win battles where major enemy spaceships would still remain functional. I of course refer to the battle against the Republic, when he was Darth Revan.

Tactical genius? Perhaps, but how is this going to help him in a fight? So if I have a medical doctorate, I'm suddenly smarter than a nuclear physicist?

Revan mastered vast amounts of Sith techniques in a very short time period

Okay. Prove up. What did he learn and where does it say he learned it in 5-6 months?

he was talented in multiple combat arts (I assume he defeated Yusanis in vibroblade or hand to hand combat and same deal with Mandalore)

Exar Kun isn't? Okay, two non-force users. Ulic beat Mandalore armed with a dagger-like weapon. Exar Kun pwned a 600 year old Jedi Master, his former teacher, with his lightsaber.

If he can pick up all these things in such short time periods, then he's probably a genius.

I think you missed where I posted that Kun improved himself greatly in the span of six months. And I need you to prove that Revan did it in a short time.

He designed the high performance HK-47 assassin model (all you KOTOR players know how good this homocidal droid is ), which requires a significant amount of knowledge in engineering and mathematics.

And Kun operated Naga Sadow's alchemical equipment to turn Massassi into "beasts of war, malformed servants of death."

His first subject was Massassi priest Zythmnr.

If thats not enough, he possessed adequate amount of foresight and skill to win battles where major enemy spaceships would still remain functional. I of course refer to the battle against the Republic, when he was Darth Revan.

This is relevant to a one-on-one fight how? Grand Admiral Thrawn was arguably a better military leader. Can he tool Revan?

The purpose of my post was to show how Revan is a fast learner and intelligent Jedi Knight/Sith, moreso than Exar.

He studied from Tulak Hord's holocron, I believe Kreia states that. Studying from what was once the greatest lightsabre duelist ever known in the entire galaxy proves that Revan is not only an excellent learner, but a master duelist. He has mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat, surpassed Kreia in his knowledge of force forms, defeated legions of dark jedi empowered by the dark side energies of the ancient Star Forge, and defeated an empowered Malak in lightsabre combat. These demonstrate his strenght moreso than his intellect, but you seem to be bringing in arguments on Exar's battle prowess.

Considering all the other evidence supportive of Revan's intellect, it would only be natural to assume that he was more intelligent than Exar. Being a military genius and expert engineer means you must have a quick mind able to process things at a faster rate. Exar used alchemy, but it goes hand in hand with all the darkside knowledge he obtained. Revan's engineering of the HK-47 model shows that he is the more multi talented, notwithstanding the equal or greater rate he comprehended Sith secrets from Korriban and Malachor.

Thats why I think Revan would have been able to understand the Sith techniques faster, and put them to better use, hence defeating Exar.

Keep in mind all this does NOT include Revan's journey to defeat the ancient Sith Empire, which undoubtedly made him even stronger.

By saying all this I am not downplaying Exar, I just think by the Star Forge's end and beyond, Revan slightly outpowers Exar.

He studied from Tulak Hord's holocron, I believe Kreia states that. Studying from what was once the greatest lightsabre duelist ever known in the entire galaxy proves that Revan is not only an excellent learner, but a master duelist.

Tulak may indeed have been the greatest, but we only have Kreia's word to go on this. This is as opposed to Exar Kun who crafted not only a unique style but a unique weapon to use it with.

He has mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat

Proof? How in God's name would he have mastered Vaapad, which hadn't yet existed and wouldn't for 4000 years?

Unsubstantiated.

surpassed Kreia in his knowledge of force forms

Force forms? You realize, of course, that those are a game mechanic right? And even so, you need to offer proof of this. I'm not going to believe it just because you say it.

defeated legions of dark jedi empowered by the dark side energies of the ancient Star Forge

Did Kyle Katarn defeat "legions" of dark jedi empowered by the Valley of the Jedi and Desann/Tavion's schemes? Or was that just gameplay meant to make the game exciting and only the highlight kills (Malak, etc) really count in canon?

These demonstrate his strenght moreso than his intellect, but you seem to be bringing in arguments on Exar's battle prowess.

I'll put those at the bottom.

Considering all the other evidence supportive of Revan's intellect, it would only be natural to assume that he was more intelligent than Exar.

No, it isn't. In fact we have just the opposite. I've not played the game in some time, but didn't five years pass between the Mandalorian Wars and KOTOR I? Exar nearly achieved the zenith of his power (or so we can tell, it's probable he'd have gotten stronger if not defeated) in six months. This includes his lightsaber modifications and invention of his unique combat style.

Being a military genius and expert engineer means you must have a quick mind able to process things at a faster rate.

And of course these abilities are mutually exclusive to Revan. 🙄

Exar used alchemy, but it goes hand in hand with all the darkside knowledge he obtained.

"Well yes, my vastly superior opponent used an amazing process that hadn't been used since the Golden Age of the Sith, but.... well it's irrelevant!"

You realize that Nadd wanted him to use alchemy to create a new body for him? This is in no way a mere Dark Side techinque. It changes and creates the shapes of living things.

Revan's engineering of the HK-47 model shows that he is the more multi talented

Exar Kun's ability to change Zythmnr shows him the more multi-talented. I'll take a hulking Massassi who can go hand-to-hand with a Jedi over HK-47 any day.

notwithstanding the equal or greater rate he comprehended Sith secrets from Korriban and Malachor.

You haven't proven up (and you conveniently dismiss the fact that Exar Kun had already been to Korriban and that Yavin IV contains practically everything Sadow and his followers ever wrote down). I'll ask again:

Okay. Prove up. What did he learn and where does it say he learned it in 5-6 months?

Thats why I think Revan would have been able to understand the Sith techniques faster, and put them to better use, hence defeating Exar

Unproven and unsubstantiated.

Keep in mind all this does NOT include Revan's journey to defeat the ancient Sith Empire, which undoubtedly made him even stronger.

If he even went to do that at all, assuming Kreia's not full of shit. This is idle speculation.

Exar's battle prowess:

Exar Kun can and will pwn Revan, easily.

On the first note, why would Kreia lie about Tulak Hord being the best lightsabre duelist? It serves in no way to further her plans, if anything it would only discredit her skills.

Secondly Juyo was around a while before Vaapad. I was referring to Juyo when I said he mastered all seven forms of lightsabre combat.

Unsubstantiated? How?

Tulak Hord was the greatest lightsabre duelist. Revan learned from Tulak and became a better duelist. Its called extrapolation man. If Tulak is the greatest lightsabre duelist ever known, then he would have surely mastered all seven lightsabre forms. Revan studied from Tulak's holocron, hence he learned and mastered all seven lightsabre forms.

Secondly if you talk to Kreia and gain enough influence she goes on to praise Revan and admitting that he is the more power Jedi/Sith among the two. Considering Kreia was a high level Consular/Sith Lord she would have been a master of the force forms. Extrapolate again. If Kreia believed Revan to be her superior, don't you think Revan would have possessed a far greater knowledge of force forms?

Your third point, the dark Jedi in Outcast were trained by a newbie dino sith who is frankly, in all sincerity, a complete and total incompetent. How could Katarn's fight against these weak sith living in the new order compare with the competent sith of KOTOR, trained by one of the strongest Sith Lord's? Revan's feats were impressive to say the least, admit it.

Fourth point, Revan searched for the STAR MAPS in the five years. That has no bearing on how fast he learned the sith secrets, just how obscure the location of the Star Maps were.

Fifth point, those qualities are not exclusive to Revan, but it is something that Exar is not exactly proficient with to say the least. Revan demonstrates his superior intellect in these fields, something Exar could not claim.

Your point on the Massassi is purely subjective. Hk-47 has on many occasions defeated dark Jedi in combat with just a vibro blade. I would prefer to have my assassin droid over a bunch of "meatbags"

Your comics on Exar Kun are purely for aesthetics, a vein attempt at inspiring me out of promoting Revan. Rest assured that I found them quite enjoyable though 😛. If I could send movies on my rampage through the star forge, and voice clips from Kreia, I would.

1) I didn't say she was a liar, I was pointing out that she was a single source that is certainly not infallible.

2) One cannot master that which is not complete. It is ergo impossible for someone to "master" Juyo. It was not complete.

3) Because you've offered no conclusive proof and you're discounting every point I make as to Kun's innate superiority.

4) Was said to be the greatest lightsaber duelist and this is questionable since, as we see in Tales of the Jedi, the ancient Sith did not use lightsabers.

This is not to mention that you're basing the argument on conjecture: it is not true that the "greatest" lightsaber duelist would have mastered all seven forms (something which is impossible). They could simply be so proficient in their chosen form as to be superior to all other lightsaber users.

Not to mention that you claim that since Revan studied his holocron then he must have learned everything Tulak had to offer. This is nonsense. It's unverifiable speculation.

5) You're again arguing force forms, a game mechanic meant to take the place of lightsaber forms for the more force-based "class" in a video game. And if she doesn't say he knew them better than she did, then you cannot assume that he does, especially since one person cannot do unquestionably everything better than another person.

6) You missed the point, which was that all the dark jedi encounters were for gameplay and were not canon. Yes, it is canon that Katarn, Revan, etc. faced down dark Jedi but they were not in the number portrayed in their respective games. Such would be ridiculous.

7) Prove up that he was just searching for the Star Maps. You need evidence, not conjecture.

8) Absence of proof is not proof of absence. You don't know how good Exar Kun would be as a battle commander or droid designer, ergo you cannot assume that Revan is superior. But it is fact that Revan did not have access to Sadow's alchemical equipment or notes, ergo he could not create creatures as Kun did.

9) Purely subjective?

Is that why this exists? He went hand-to-hand with a pissed-off Jedi and won. That's one damned good monster Kun had.

Hk-47 has on many occasions defeated dark Jedi in combat with just a vibro blade.

And...where is this stated? That still makes the unarmed Massassi better.

10) You called them... my comics on Exar Kun? Do I need to scan the covers for you? It doesn't get a whole lot more EU official than Tales of the Jedi. Unless you're about to accuse me of drawing those myself, I'd consider rephrasing.

And I'll state again: Gameplay, other than dialogue, movies, highlight battles, etc is not necessarily canon. Variables such as how many Dark Jedi you killed, whether Atton got knocked out in battle X, etc. are irrelevant to this versus fight.

No, this is bullshit. Now you're arguing the Dark Side Sourcebook, which is a handbook for the WotC RPG, saying random statements in it overide TOTJ? Are you nuts? RPG canon is NOT canon at all!
Let's go over this AGAIN:

The Holocron's database field is divided into four levels: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon. G, C and S together form an overall continuity. Each ascending level overrides the lower ones. e.g. Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Attack of the Clones, forcing retconning of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story.

G-canon is absolute canon; the movies and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon (see below).

When the matter of changes between movie versions is brought up, the remastered editions are deemed superior to the theatrical ones, since they correct mistakes and improve consistency between the two trilogies. They also express Lucas' original intention and also final word.
C-canon is pretty much everything in the Expanded Universe: Star Wars books, comics, games, cartoons, and more. Games are a special case as generally only the stories are C-canon while things like stats and gameplay may not be. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon. (This includes: the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.)

S-canon is "secondary" canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the popular online roleplaying game Star Wars Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label), some game stats, fanon, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

Let me point out the definition for C-canon: Games are a special case in which things like states and gameplay may not be canon but stories are. Since roleplaying games and their sourcebooks are staging grounds for fictional, out of continuity individual roleplaying sessions for the amusement of private parties, they should not be considered canon AT ALL. In fact, I would argue that sourcebooks for roleplaying games (obsolete or not) fall under S-canon, and while they may not contradict the EU licensed universe, they do not reflect it either.

Last paragraph is important.

Originally posted by zephiel7
The purpose of my post was to show how Revan is a fast learner and intelligent Jedi Knight/Sith, moreso than Exar.

He studied from Tulak Hord's holocron, I believe Kreia states that. Studying from what was once the greatest lightsabre duelist ever known in the entire galaxy proves that Revan is not only an excellent learner, but a master duelist. He has mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat, surpassed Kreia in his knowledge of force forms, defeated legions of dark jedi empowered by the dark side energies of the ancient Star Forge, and defeated an empowered Malak in lightsabre combat. These demonstrate his strenght moreso than his intellect, but you seem to be bringing in arguments on Exar's battle prowess.

Considering all the other evidence supportive of Revan's intellect, it would only be natural to assume that he was more intelligent than Exar. Being a military genius and expert engineer means you must have a quick mind able to process things at a faster rate. Exar used alchemy, but it goes hand in hand with all the darkside knowledge he obtained. Revan's engineering of the HK-47 model shows that he is the more multi talented, notwithstanding the equal or greater rate he comprehended Sith secrets from Korriban and Malachor.

Thats why I think Revan would have been able to understand the Sith techniques faster, and put them to better use, hence defeating Exar.

Keep in mind all this does NOT include Revan's journey to defeat the ancient Sith Empire, which undoubtedly made him even stronger.

By saying all this I am not downplaying Exar, I just think by the Star Forge's end and beyond, Revan slightly outpowers Exar.

1) I didn't say she was a liar, I was pointing out that she was a single source that is certainly not infallible.

But you admit that more likely than not she is correct?

2) One cannot master that which is not complete. It is ergo impossible for someone to "master" Juyo. It was not complete.

Revan then mastered what was known of the Juyo style.

3) This is not to mention that you're basing the argument on conjecture: it is not true that the "greatest" lightsaber duelist would have mastered all seven forms (something which is impossible). They could simply be so proficient in their chosen form as to be superior to all other lightsaber users.

You do not have any conclusive proof that he did not master all seven forms of light saber combat. In light of the situation, it makes more sense that THE master of lightsaber combat would be considered a master of the seven forms, otherwise Kreia would have stated Tulak was a master of a specific form ie, Ataru.

4) You're again arguing force forms, a game mechanic meant to take the place of lightsaber forms for the more force-based "class" in a video game. And if she doesn't say he knew them better than she did, then you cannot assume that he does, especially since one person cannot do unquestionably everything better than another person

Sure they can… Many famous Jedi surpass lesser Jedi in every aspect. If you compare Obi-Wan and the nameless Jedi that got shot by Jango, Obi-Wan is the superior in every aspect including force powers and lightsabre dueling.

6) You missed the point, which was that all the dark jedi encounters were for gameplay and were not canon. Yes, it is canon that Katarn, Revan, etc. faced down dark Jedi but they were not in the number portrayed in their respective games. Such would be ridiculous.

It is canon though that Revan entered the star forge and faced of against legions of dark Jedi and star forge droids.

7) Prove up that he was just searching for the Star Maps. You need evidence, not conjecture.

Buddy, it is explained IN GAME that he spent those five years searching for the star maps. The time spent for the Sith knowledge that he gained was only a fraction of the entire time he was in the outer regions.

8) Absence of proof is not proof of absence. You don't know how good Exar Kun would be as a battle commander or droid designer, ergo you cannot assume that Revan is superior.

And you then cannot assume how much less knowledge Revan gained or whether he was confronted by ancient Sith Lords.

9) Is that why this exists? He went hand-to-hand with a pissed-off Jedi and won. That's one damned good monster Kun had.

Your point? I have seen HK-47 do far better…

10) You misinterpreted my statement completely. By your comics, I meant the comics you scanned, not that you made them. Wow

Again friend, I will state that Revan entering the Star Forge and defeating legions of dark Jedi IS non contradicting to anything in the EU, it has already been labeled canon.

Originally posted by calvin44
That would explain why Exar Kun was approached by the spirit of Ragnos, when Revan wasn't. Revan was able to learn faster and better, you say? HAH, Exar Kun Learned from the spirit of MANY great ancient sith. Please tell me how Revan is a better learner, instead of just stating that he is.

So what if Exar Kun was approached by the spirit of Ragnos? Revan was destined to return to the light, why would a Sith lord approach him then? He was essentially a "Vader" of his time, he saw the darkness for what it was worth and turned back to the light. Revan may not been approached by ancient spectres (he was though, by the spirit of Adjunta Pall) or retained his title as dark lord of the Sith, but he survived unlike Exar and grew to undeniable heights of power.

Maybe in KOTOR 3 we can see just how much more powerful Revan has grown in comparison to Exar? 😛

When KOTOR 3 comes out and you have some serious canonical evidence, then we'll see. As it stands, Kun pwns Revan.

I do have canonical evidence friend, read the above posts. Also the polls would seem to say otherwise.

1) I didn't say she was a liar, I was pointing out that she was a single source that is certainly not infallible.

But you admit that more likely than not she is correct?

The fact of the matter is that it's irrelevant. It hardly matters if she is correct or not, particularly since the ancient Sith did not wield lightsabers, individuals like Naga or Marka or Ludo used sith swords.

And even if he did, it does not reflect on Revan's lightsaber prowess. Yoda uses ataru, he likely had students that learned and mastered that technique. Qui-Gon learned and mastered Ataru, but he did not do it to anywhere near the degree Yoda did.

Revan then mastered what was known of the Juyo style.

Where is this stated in KotOR (II)? I've played through them more than once, and I don't recall where it says Revan mastered Form VII.

You do not have any conclusive proof that he did not master all seven forms of light saber combat.

You're asking us to prove a negative? No. You have to prove the positive.

In light of the situation, it makes more sense that THE master of lightsaber combat would be considered a master of the seven forms, otherwise Kreia would have stated Tulak was a master of a specific form ie, Ataru.

Kreia said he was the best lightsaber duelist. Dooku was arguably the best lightsaber duelist of the PT era, he used Makashi.

You could just be overwhelmingly proficient in one kind. Kun, for example, didn't master all the forms, but he easily beat up anyone he fought with his unique lightsaber form.

Sure they can… Many famous Jedi surpass lesser Jedi in every aspect. If you compare Obi-Wan and the nameless Jedi that got shot by Jango, Obi-Wan is the superior in every aspect including force powers and lightsabre dueling.

Yes, but Obi-Wan may not be better at reading, listening, talking, eating, farting, or sleeping, for example. Notice how he said every aspect. Unless that's established, it's not conclusive, ergo not admissable.

It is canon though that Revan entered the star forge and faced of against legions of dark Jedi and star forge droids.

Yes, and it's canon that Kyle Katarn went to the Valley of the Jedi, that he went to Galak Fyar's ship, that he went to Korriban.

It is purely gameplay though to assume he actually killed anyone, as that was never elaborated in storyline. You can not make the assumption that it's there, therefore he killed them.

Buddy, it is explained IN GAME that he spent those five years searching for the star maps. The time spent for the Sith knowledge that he gained was only a fraction of the entire time he was in the outer regions.

So he spent 5 years doing absolutely nothing but search for the star maps? Where was this?

And you then cannot assume how much less knowledge Revan gained or whether he was confronted by ancient Sith Lords

WTF kind of comparison is this? First off, he stated it was ABSENCE of proof is not PROOF of absence. Ergo, you can't argue whether it did or didn't exist solely because of lack of evidence. Absense of proof is simply that, absence -- it's inconclusive, you can not draw a conclusion about it. Assuming Revan received more knowledge than Exar is a conclusion.

Also; One is event-based, one is ability-based. It's not unreasonable to assume that Exar can take a crap, even though he is not shown to do so. It is unreasonable to assume (without any evidence to suggest of it) that Revan hung out with Ancient Sith spirits.

Your point? I have seen HK-47 do far better…

His point is that Sith Alchemy > tinkering with tools. By that logic, 10 year old Anakin is superior to Exar Kun.

Thank you, Illustrious.

The final point: Gameplay is not canon, only the storyline of the game is.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Revan then mastered what was known of the Juyo style.

Where do you get that from ? Notice how lightsaber styles aren't even part of KotoR 1...

You do not have any conclusive proof that he did not master all seven forms of light saber combat. In light of the situation, it makes more sense that THE master of lightsaber combat would be considered a master of the seven forms, otherwise Kreia would have stated Tulak was a master of a specific form ie, Ataru.

First: A theoretical mastery of all forms can only be archieved over centuries. The only beings that possibly mastered all forms in the SW universe are Yoda and Vodo. Even Mace Windu, who was a lightsaber prodigy, didn't master all forms.
Second: You should listen to Kreia. She states that Tulak Hord had used his own style and left the knowledge of that style in a Holocron (which is lost now). So "in the light of the situation" it makes more sense that Tulak designed his own style and this was so uber that virtually noone could beat him.

Sure they can… Many famous Jedi surpass lesser Jedi in every aspect. If you compare Obi-Wan and the nameless Jedi that got shot by Jango, Obi-Wan is the superior in every aspect including force powers and lightsabre dueling.

Is Bastilla better than every Jedi in the KotoR era because she was the best when it came to using battle meditation ? Was Obi-Wan a greater force user / lightsaber duellist in TPM than Qui-Gon because Obi-Wan did survive Maul and Qui-Gon didn't ?

It is canon though that Revan entered the star forge and faced of against legions of dark Jedi and star forge droids.

No. That are game events. "Canon" would be that he faced Darth Malak on the Star Forge and won the fight. Everything else...well...did YOU destroy all droids ALONE or were your 2 friends doing it / helping ? See...the same way: In KotoR II if you have enough stealth skill you can run through the entire academy without killing one opponent except Sion and Kreia. So the "canon" events are limited to "the Exile defeated Sion and Kreia" and not "the Exile defeated an entire academy filled with Dark Side users".

Buddy, it is explained IN GAME that he spent those five years searching for the star maps. The time spent for the Sith knowledge that he gained was only a fraction of the entire time he was in the outer regions.

Oh yes ? So it took him 5 years to do something which he managed to do again in weeks later ? In fact there is just 1 year between the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War in which Revan had time to discover the maps and maximum 3 years added until the end of that war (the events shown in KotoR I).

And you then cannot assume how much less knowledge Revan gained or whether he was confronted by ancient Sith Lords.

It's quite easy. Kun:
- learned from one of the most powerful Jedi (Vodo) at his time and was descriped as Vodo's best student (so the best of 600 years)
- took knowledge from Korriban before Revan was there
- took knowledge from Nadd's tomb which Revan did never visit
- took knowledge from what Sadow left on Yavin 4, including Sadow's amulets while Revan never visited Yavin 4
- took knowledge from Ossus which was destroyed shortly after that

Revan:
- hasn't visited the tombs of Ragnos, Sadow, Ajunta Pall and Tulak Hord before KotoR as we have seen
- was on Korriban after Kun took knowledge away
- took some knowledge from Malachor V
- took some knowledge from the Dantooine Archieves (not compareable to Ossus)
- possibly had access to Tulak Hords holocron

So as you can see, Kun had by far the greater knowledge base to learn from and - assuming that Revan plundered Malachor V before he let it be destroyed - less time to study it but he has learned basically anything to learn from it.

Your point? I have seen HK-47 do far better…

We have seen HK-47 do nothing. I never put him in my group and so he never killed anybody except some "meatbags". Notice how it doesn't say "I killed pissed off Jedi meatbags".

Again friend, I will state that Revan entering the Star Forge and defeating legions of dark Jedi IS non contradicting to anything in the EU, it has already been labeled canon.

Entering the Star Forge is "canon", how many people / droids he fought there is not. I can say that Obi-Wan killed 10,000 Stormtroopers on the Death Star in ANH (we just haven't seen it on screen) and it won't be contradicted by EU material. Does that mean that he did ? No...

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