Green Lantern hal jordon vs Silver Surfer (no power absorbing)

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Norrin Radd was a humanoid given massive powers like Hal was.

The GL ring can do anything plus more than Norrin Radd can.

Key word being WAS. He IS a cosmic being. GLs are not.

GLs lose regularly to relatively weak characters. Their high-end feats are comparable, but the limitations of the ring make them too suspect in a fight against surfer. All it takes is one mistake and the fight is over.

As much as I like my namesake, anyone who can lose to slade is NOT going to beat the surfer.

A GL definitely has a better shot at being surfer than superman, though. That other thread is just ridiculous. This one actually makes sense.

Originally posted by slade10
Key word being WAS. He IS a cosmic being. GLs are not.

GLs lose regularly to relatively weak characters. Their high-end feats are comparable, but the limitations of the ring make them too suspect in a fight against surfer. All it takes is one mistake and the fight is over.

As much as I like my namesake, anyone who can lose to slade is NOT going to beat the surfer.

A GL definitely has a better shot at being surfer than superman, though. That other thread is just ridiculous. This one actually makes sense.

Their powerlevels are close. 50/50 fight here.

Originally posted by slade10
Doesn't matter. It's close enough. Hal is still human behind the ring.

Hal is still human behind the ring which gives him his power. Surfer is also human behind the power cosmic which gives him his power. See a pattern here?

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer is a cosmic being who draws on the ambient energy of the universe.

The Power that powers the GL's ring gathers willpower from every living being in the universe. And that gets converted into energy. So like surfer they both gather energy from the universe. See how the pattern continues?

Originally posted by slade10
Durability, speed, strength, matter manipulation all go to surfer. He has better command of his powers, and more experience with them. Moreover, no yellow weakness, and unlike a GL, surfer's body is its own battery.

How does durability, strength and matter manipulation go to Surfer? Better command of his powers? Yellow weakness? And the Surfer DOES need rest to recharge. He's even stated himself that his powers have limits.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hal is still human behind the ring which gives him his power. Surfer is also human behind the power cosmic which gives him his power. See a pattern here?

No surfer is not a human. there have been storylines where he has wished he were mortal again, but he's transformed permanently into a herald. It's not clear if even galactus could transform him back. IT seems he would have done it earlier, if it were possible, given that they've fought innumerable times.

On the other hand, green lanterns are constantly losing their rings. It seems to happen every other comic. The ring power is not part of them -- it's part of the ring.

Originally posted by slade10
No surfer is not a human. there have been storylines where he has wished he were mortal again, but he's transformed permanently into a herald. It's not clear if even galactus could transform him back. IT seems he would have done it earlier, if it were possible, given that they've fought innumerable times.

On the other hand, green lanterns are constantly losing their rings. It seems to happen every other comic. The ring power is not part of them -- it's part of the ring.

Its all in how you look at it. Before given the power cosmic, Surfer was but a mere human. Without it, hes just that. Same goes for a GL and the ring.

GL's may have lost rings in the past, but lets not pretend that Surfer doesnt get his power drained by any villain with some technology.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Do you have a recent scan of a GL doing that? I don't follow the GL comics so if you know of a example I'd like to see it because I didn't know that they could do that (save the old comic I mentioned). Anyway if that is the case, as I said earlier, Hal would take IMO

I thought this was pretty cool.

He gave the guy new legs. After a while, they do turn their normal color..lol Pretty impressive IMO.

wouldn't kyle have to concentrate on that bums legs forever, lest they disappear as lantern constructs are wont to do?

in any case, i would agree with slade and say that while hal's high-end feats are comparable and indeed superior to many of surfers, he still loses to some mega chumps.

and that's my real problem with DC. the whole damn company is PIS powered, characters that can level planets losing against a shark (multiple times) and a character with lightspeed perception losing against some guy with a cold-ray.

Everyone has low end feats. Surfer has many as well. Too bad in these forums, we take characters at their best, so those low end feats are nulled here.

Norrin has never been a human...................he is a humanoid🙂 By the time the GL had to recharge Surfer would be good....................he is constantly absorbing cosmic energy even as he uses it.............................Not to mention if the GL has any weakness at all Norrin could sense it and use it against him..........................and has more stamina then a Human GL.

Regardless if he was human or humanoid, he had no powers whatsoever and he was mortal. By the time GL has to recharge, the Surfer would be good? It takes GL about 4 seconds to recharge. Surfer after being drained, has needed ample amout of time to do so. He may absorb cosmic energy as he uses it, but sometimes he uses more than he absorbs thus needing time to reabsorb more energy. And GL's no longer have any weakness for Surfer to exploit.

Yeah so your saying that Hal has more "willpower" then Norrin has cosmic....................that one is never gonna be proven..........$ seconds would give Norrin enough time to freeze Hal and take his ring EASY very very EASY................I doubt seriously that Hal is more powerful then a thanos and thas pretty much the level you need to be at to drain SS........

Well personally, ive never seen Hal run uout of willpower and need to rest in order to recharge it. Unless you can show otherwise. I HAVE seen Surfer be drained of his power and need rest. How is Surfer going to freeze Hal and take the ring. GL's are immunte to sub-zero temps and extreme heat via ring, so thats not likely to happen. Are you saying that you need to be Thanos level in order to drain Surfer? Are the Kree Thanos level? Are mindless zombies Thanos level? I think not.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I thought this was pretty cool.

He gave the guy new legs. After a while, they do turn their normal color..lol Pretty impressive IMO.

Impressive, except surfer has resurrected a dead god with the power cosmic....

GL has also resurrected a living being before. GL has also turned an asteroid into a living world.

Originally posted by jrodslam
GL has also resurrected a living being before. GL has also turned an asteroid into a living world.

Err, when has a normal green lantern resurrected a living being?

Surfer resurrecting beta ray bill and reconstituting his hammer:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg

Surfer recreating life on an entire planet, after it had been destroyed (notice that he talks about feeling EVERY ATOM on a PLANET):

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-015b.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-016.jpg

Like I said, surfer is a GL on some big-time steroids. No way a normal GL wins.

Actually the most impressive feat here is remaking the hammer, given that its a vastly powerful magical item and odin himself was having trouble with it.

Oh, and I'd also like to see this asteroid feat. I know GLs can terraform but that's very different than recreating life on a planet in a moment. It's more like the leg trick over and over (and obviously thus takes a LONG time, when the subject of healing is an asteroid, much less a planet)

Originally posted by slade10
Err, when has a normal green lantern resurrected a living being?

Guy Gardner with the Shark.

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer resurrecting beta ray bill and reconstituting his hammer:

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-07.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg

Surfer didnt do that on his own power. He sampled the Odin Force from Odin. It was a joint effort.

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer recreating life on an entire planet, after it had been destroyed (notice that he talks about feeling EVERY ATOM on a PLANET):

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-015b.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-016.jpg

He also mentions that hed use all his power to do so. What happed after the second scan?

Like ive said. GL has turned an asteroid into a living planet, ignited dying suns, put planets back together after being destroyed as well as putting an eco-system back together. And these are "normal" GL's

Originally posted by slade10
Oh, and I'd also like to see this asteroid feat. I know GLs can terraform but that's very different than recreating life on a planet in a moment. It's more like the leg trick over and over (and obviously thus takes a LONG time, when the subject of healing is an asteroid, much less a planet)

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/f069305f.jpg

GL has also contained a big bang that would destroy the universe. Can Surfer do something like that?

Originally posted by jrodslam
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/f069305f.jpg

That's just terraforming. IT doesn't show the entire asteroid being affected, just a garden being created.

And show me a GL containing the big bang, creating stars, etc lol. If you're talking about pre-crisis feats, every character was able to do crazy stuff. So show me something relatively recent.

Surfer sampled the odinforce, but did it on his own. Odin agrees at first but tries to stop the process mid-stream. Surfer finishes it without odin's approval, and to odin's surprise.

And surfer was fine after resurrecting the planet. I don't have a scan (I'm getting these off a respect thread), but I don't think he even fell down afterwards. It wouldn't make sense since he had done it to a planet before (as he mentions).

Edit: Also, I'd like to see a scan of the shark resurrection, if you have one.