Green Lantern hal jordon vs Silver Surfer (no power absorbing)

Originally posted by slade10
That's just terraforming. IT doesn't show the entire asteroid being affected, just a garden being created.

And show me a GL containing the big bang, creating stars, etc lol. If you're talking about pre-crisis feats, every character was able to do crazy stuff. So show me something relatively recent.

Surfer sampled the odinforce, but did it on his own. Odin agrees at first but tries to stop the process mid-stream. Surfer finishes it without odin's approval, and to odin's surprise.

And surfer was fine after resurrecting the planet. I don't have a scan (I'm getting these off a respect thread), but I don't think he even fell down afterwards. It wouldn't make sense since he had done it to a planet before (as he mentions).

Not quite. If you notice, the words "Build a beautiful world" is used.

Take a visit to theGL respect threads and you will see all the feats for yourself. Why isnt pre-crisi feats counted? Show me something Surfer has done post HoM. A feat is a feat. Show me that a GL cant do the feats anymore or are powered down and we'll disregard pre-crisis.

Key word is SAMPLED. Surfer didnt bring Bill back under his OWN power. We dont know if Surfer was fine after completing the ressurection process of the planet. He stated that he would need all his power to do so, thus id like to see what happened after that, but you cant provide us with that so ill concede that he was drained after the feat. He did mention that hes done it to a planet before, but we dont know the circumstances of that. He he get help before? was it under his own power? Was he drained afterwards? Therefore him saying that hes done it before doesnt say much if we dont know the conditions.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not quite. If you notice, the words "Build a beautiful world" is used.

Take a visit to theGL respect threads and you will see all the feats for yourself. Why isnt pre-crisi feats counted? Show me something Surfer has done post HoM. A feat is a feat. Show me that a GL cant do the feats anymore or are powered down and we'll disregard pre-crisis.

Key word is SAMPLED. Surfer didnt bring Bill back under his OWN power. We dont know if Surfer was fine after completing the ressurection process of the planet. He stated that he would need all his power to do so, thus id like to see what happened after that, but you cant provide us with that so ill concede that he was drained after the feat. He did mention that hes done it to a planet before, but we dont know the circumstances of that. He he get help before? was it under his own power? Was he drained afterwards? Therefore him saying that hes done it before doesnt say much if we dont know the conditions.

1. My mom is a gardener. She sometimes tells me she's going to "build a beautiful garden." that doesn't mean she can do it all in an instant. It's a slow, season-long process that requires a lot of hard work. I have seen images of groups of GLs flying around on a planet terraforming. If they could have just resurrected the entire world as surfer did, why wouldn't they do it?

2. PC lex luthor stopped time with orange juice. Of course there's a difference pre and post crisis. Everyone had ridiculous, implausible powers pre crisis. That doesn't mean they have those powers now.

3. Pre or post, i'd like to see images of GLs creating stars and stopping Big Bangs.

Good fight. Surfer's speed is the only major difference. Both have limitless possibilities within their power.

GL ring can do just about anything. So can the Power Cosmic.

I'll go with Surfer, simply because of his speed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not quite. If you notice, the words "Build a beautiful world" is used.

Take a visit to theGL respect threads and you will see all the feats for yourself. Why isnt pre-crisi feats counted? Show me something Surfer has done post HoM. A feat is a feat. Show me that a GL cant do the feats anymore or are powered down and we'll disregard pre-crisis.

Key word is SAMPLED. Surfer didnt bring Bill back under his OWN power. We dont know if Surfer was fine after completing the ressurection process of the planet. He stated that he would need all his power to do so, thus id like to see what happened after that, but you cant provide us with that so ill concede that he was drained after the feat. He did mention that hes done it to a planet before, but we dont know the circumstances of that. He he get help before? was it under his own power? Was he drained afterwards? Therefore him saying that hes done it before doesnt say much if we dont know the conditions.

What is the relevance of HoM?

Oh, and notice how the GLs talk about bringing up individual seeds and moving soil? This is terraforming, not planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Originally posted by slade10
1. My mom is a gardener. She sometimes tells me she's going to "build a beautiful garden." that doesn't mean she can do it all in an instant. It's a slow, season-long process that requires a lot of hard work. I have seen images of groups of GLs flying around on a planet terraforming. If they could have just resurrected the entire world as surfer did, why wouldn't they do it?

Too bad a GL can speed up or decrease the time of evolution. Much different than waiting for a season-long process. Big difference from what GL and Surfer did. Surfer was already on a planet with water, atmosphere etc. GL has to place and create everything. Kinda like GOD. It was an asteroid. It wasnt a living habitat. The GL made it so.

Originally posted by slade10
2. PC lex luthor stopped time with orange juice. Of course there's a difference pre and post crisis. Everyone had ridiculous, implausible powers pre crisis. That doesn't mean they have those powers now.

Like i said before, GL's havent shown to be powered down by any means or standards. Have you seen a post-crisis feat that they couldnt accomplish, but could do so pre-crisis? People always say pre-crisis GL. Theres no such thing as a pre-crisis GL. Theres no difference. No power down.

Originally posted by slade10
3. Pre or post, i'd like to see images of GLs creating stars and stopping Big Bangs.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/89f32ddb.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg

The key here is that the concept of both characters is the same. They both have to potential to do just about ANYTHING as they are the most powerful GL and herald, and their high end feats are equally impressive. I think that the fight comes down to fighting experience and in that area Hal has the advantage. SS just isn't that good a fighter when his power cosmic doesn't give him an easiy advantage.

Also as regards to Kyle healing the guy in the wheel chair, he later made a neckless for his girlfriend Jade and I think he said that if he put enough energy into it that it would be perminent. But its been a while since I read it.

Originally posted by slade10
Oh, and notice how the GLs talk about bringing up individual seeds and moving soil? This is terraforming, not planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Can't see the second image. The first one is impressive but is from decades ago. It would be impossible for a modern GL. When has a GL in the past two decades done anything close to that? They fight and lose to guys like slade, for heaven's sake.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Too bad a GL can speed up or decrease the time of evolution. Much different than waiting for a season-long process. Big difference from what GL and Surfer did. Surfer was already on a planet with water, atmosphere etc. GL has to place and create everything. Kinda like GOD. It was an asteroid. It wasnt a living habitat. The GL made it so.

Like i said before, GL's havent shown to be powered down by any means or standards. Have you seen a post-crisis feat that they couldnt accomplish, but could do so pre-crisis? People always say pre-crisis GL. Theres no such thing as a pre-crisis GL. Theres no difference. No power down.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/89f32ddb.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanv2173pg144bd.jpg

Where's the one where he stops the Big Bang? By 'Big Bang' I honestly hope you arent talking about an explosion that occurs in space-time. If you are, you cannot possibly know what a 'Big Bang' is.

In that first pic, he isn't creating a sun. He's powering one. Surfer has done the same on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The key here is that the concept of both characters is the same. They both have to potential to do just about ANYTHING as they are the most powerful GL and herald, and their high end feats are equally impressive. I think that the fight comes down to fighting experience and in that area Hal has the advantage. SS just isn't that good a fighter when his power cosmic doesn't give him an easiy advantage.

Also as regards to Kyle healing the guy in the wheel chair, he later made a neckless for his girlfriend Jade and I think he said that if he put enough energy into it that it would be perminent. But its been a while since I read it.

Neither has the potential to do "anything." Oan and cosmic energy can both do anything, but GLs and SS both are limited channels of it.

The question is how much they can channel. I think there's no doubt that SS can channel much more. I have no idea why you think hal is a better fighter. SS has been around for millenia destroying planets for galactus and fighting cosmic battles. Not true of hal.

SS gets beat up by guys like thanos, true. But thanos put galactus to the floor. So that's not exactly a demerit for him.

I see the image. That isn't a Big Bang he's stopping. It's something. But a Big Bang it is not.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The key here is that the concept of both characters is the same. They both have to potential to do just about ANYTHING as they are the most powerful GL and herald, and their high end feats are equally impressive. I think that the fight comes down to fighting experience and in that area Hal has the advantage. SS just isn't that good a fighter when his power cosmic doesn't give him an easiy advantage.

Also as regards to Kyle healing the guy in the wheel chair, he later made a neckless for his girlfriend Jade and I think he said that if he put enough energy into it that it would be perminent. But its been a while since I read it.

GOD speaks things into being. Unlike GL or Surfer. They use what is already there. Yes, both of them.

Originally posted by slade10
Neither has the potential to do "anything." Oan and cosmic energy can both do anything, but GLs and SS both are limited channels of it.

The question is how much they can channel. I think there's no doubt that SS can channel much more. I have no idea why you think hal is a better fighter. SS has been around for millenia destroying planets for galactus and fighting cosmic battles. Not true of hal.

Simply that the GLs were created to be a police force, i.e. trained to be able to fight. SS was given the power cosmic and used to find planets.
There is a difference between being a herald and basically a space cop.

As for the ring, it's full limits have never been stated. It is possible that a GL with enough will power could be nearly omnipotent (which is why its called "the most powerful weapon in the universe"😉. In fact the original reason given for the yellow weakness was to prevent a GL from becoming all powerful.
As for SS, I think in the story when he became the Keeper (although I'm not sure if it is in continuity) using the quantam bands he became a match for Galactus. IMO they each could potentially do anything

And in comics several characters have nearly achieved omnipotence without being "God"

Originally posted by TheKahn
Simply that the GLs were created to be a police force, i.e. trained to be able to fight. SS was given the power cosmic and used to find planets.
There is a difference between being a herald and basically a space cop.

As for the ring, it's full limits have never been stated. It is possible that a GL with enough will power could be nearly omnipotent (which is why its called "the most powerful weapon in the universe"😉. In fact the original reason given for the yellow weakness was to prevent a GL from becoming all powerful.
As for SS, I think in the story when he became the Keeper (although I'm not sure if it is in continuity) using the quantam bands he became a match for Galactus. IMO they each could potentially do anything

Originally posted by TheKahn
And in comics several characters have nearly achieved omnipotence without being "God"

If you aren't God, you are not truly omnipotent.

Omnipotent meaning "having all power"

Even God's.

Originally posted by slade10
Oh, and notice how the GLs talk about bringing up individual seeds and moving soil? This is terraforming, not planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Looks like Surfer was doing the same thing. All he did was add his power to clean and purify that which was already there. You havent shown the planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Where's the one where he stops the Big Bang? By 'Big Bang' I honestly hope you arent talking about an explosion that occurs in space-time. If you are, you cannot possibly know what a 'Big Bang' is.

That "explosion" was capable of destroying the entire universe.