Green Lantern hal jordon vs Silver Surfer (no power absorbing)

Originally posted by jrodslam
That "explosion" was capable of destroying the entire universe.

Even if it was, it still wasn't a Big Bang. Impressive. It would be slightly more impressive, though, if it weren't for Kismet Powered Superman backing him up. I'll take a chance and say Surfer could do the same.

Couldn't SS just pull apart all of the GL's molecules at once ?

"Omnipotence (literally, "all power"😉 is power with no limits or inexhaustible, in other words, unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence only to God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent#Meanings_of_omnipotence

Basically it means having the power to do anything you want. Characters who have reached it or nearly reached it are Dr. Manhatten, Thanos with IG, and others. Omnipotence is mearly a description of God that means he can do anything he wants. In comics, that is ability is not limited to God.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Looks like Surfer was doing the same thing. All he did was add his power to clean and purify that which was already there. You havent shown the planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Surfer created life without using seed, or any matter that wasn't already there. The planet was devoid of life. He created life. That's a major difference.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
In that first pic, he isn't creating a sun. He's powering one. Surfer has done the same on more than one occasion.

I never stated that GL created a sun. I said that he ignited one that was dying out. GL creating a sun were never words of mine.

Originally posted by TheKahn
"Omnipotence (literally, "all power"😉 is power with no limits or inexhaustible, in other words, unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence only to God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent#Meanings_of_omnipotence

Basically it means having the power to do anything you want. Characters who have reached it or nearly reached it are Dr. Manhatten, Thanos with IG, and others. Omnipotence is mearly a description of God that means he can do anything he wants. In comics, that is ability is not limited to God.

No, it means exactly what the article says.

Omnipotence means having the totality of all power in existence. Power without any bounderies whatsoever. Not the power to do whatever you want. Neither GL or Surfer are truly omnipotent, nor have they ever been. If you are truely omnipotent, you are God.

The terms "omnipotent" and "infinite" are used all too loosely in comic books. It tends to make them very uninteresting.

Originally posted by grey fox
Couldn't SS just pull apart all of the GL's molecules at once ?

I could be wrong, but I think the point of this thread is to take away SS's abiltiy to manipulate matter and Oan energy so the they are on a even playing field.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer created life without using seed, or any matter that wasn't already there. The planet was devoid of life. He created life. That's a major difference.

Was it? Surfer said that it was a dying world. That leaves me to believe that is wasnt completely devoid of life. Many dead but not all. Unless somewhere in that comic its shown that he brought ALL life back to the planet. All that was shown was plants growing.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I never stated that GL created a sun. I said that he ignited one that was dying out. GL creating a sun were never words of mine.

My point was that Surfer could do the same.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Sorry. I never read your original statement.

Uhh. I assume that was for me. No prob.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Was it? Surfer said that it was a dying world. That leaves me to believe that is wasnt completely devoid of life. Many dead but not all. Unless somewhere in that comic its shown that he brought ALL life back to the planet. All that was shown was plants growing.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No, it means exactly what the article says.

Omnipotence means having the totality of all power in existence. Power without any bounderies whatsoever. Not the power to do whatever you want. Neither GL or Surfer are truly omnipotent, nor have they ever been. If you are truely omnipotent, you are God.

The terms "omnipotent" and "infinite" are used all too loosely in comic books. It tends to make them very uninteresting.

Or you are a God. Again they have the potential to be omnipotent. A good example is Dr. Manhatten from Watchmen. Essentially after his accident he becomes omnipotent although it takes some time for him to realize this and at the end he says he might go off and make some humans. Some people claim that the "God" or "Presence" of the D.C. universe is Dr. Manhatten. So in the comics it is possible for a character to become a "God". Although I don't think Hal or SS will be doing that anytime soon.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Looks like Surfer was doing the same thing. All he did was add his power to clean and purify that which was already there. You havent shown the planetary-scale matter manipulation.

Surfer was touching very atom on the world. The GLs were picking up seeds and moving soil.

BIG difference. Have GLs even shown transmutation abilities?

Confusing, Jrodslam. In one panel he says it's dying, and in another he says it's dead. You've made a great argument.

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer was touching very atom on the world. The GLs were picking up seeds and moving soil.

BIG difference. Have GLs even shown transmutation abilities?

Into energy, and the like. Yes. In terms of power, Surfer and Hal are virtually stalemated. I can hardly think of anything Surfer can do that Hal can't do using his ring.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Confusing, Jrodslam. In one panel he says it's dying, and in another he says it's dead. You've made a great argument.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Into energy, and the like. Yes. In terms of power, Surfer and Hal are virtually stalemated. I can barely think of anything Surfer can do that Hal can't do using his ring.

That's not transmutation. Transmutation is changing the atomic structure of an element. So for example lead to gold.

You can change something into energy by burning it, and releasing the energy in its chemical bonds.

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer was touching every atom on the world. The GLs were picking up seeds and moving soil.

BIG difference. Have GLs even shown transmutation abilities?

Originally posted by slade10
That's not transmutation. Transmutation is changing the atomic structure of an element. So for example lead to gold.

You can change something into energy by burning it, and releasing the energy in its chemical bonds.

God damn. You're pretty good. I'm sure jrodlam can find a scan of him manipulating atoms. He's a regular GL encyclopedia.

Originally posted by slade10
Surfer was touching very atom on the world. The GLs were picking up seeds and moving soil.

BIG difference. Have GLs even shown transmutation abilities?

And Surfer was cleaning everything that was polluted. The so called soil was from pummeling the rock.

Transmutaion abilities? Like turning bullets into flowers? Or turning himself and others into energy? Or turnng himself into a metal robot?