Hamas Victory

I basically agree with you Finti, but is it necessary to sstir uo the whole world against a newly elected Party, and to state, at least from Israels side, that there won't be any negotions at all. Although their ight be good reasons it is not necessarily the fairest thing to do.

well it remains to be seen if they can act as a political party and not as a bunch of terrorist, until that hapen I wouldnt given them a minute of the day....................

Originally posted by finti
well it remains to be seen if they can act as a political party and not as a bunch of terrorist, until that hapen I wouldnt given them a minute of the day....................

I see, cause that will make it especially easy for them to act in a sophisticated manner. Right.

The Hamas victory, despite it being a democratic one, is ill news...
Just last year Palestine and Israel finally came to something remotely an understanding and made a few steps towards a possible peace.
Sadly the main figures in this positive development are now wiped of the board, Sharon is on the edge of death and the progressive and sort of peace desiring government of Palestine is about to be replaced by the aggressive Hamas. Simultaneous, their cause finds more support in the likes of the increasingly maniacal Iran and the terrorist world.
With Israel as an US ally and the Hamas as a main representative of the anti-western community, this might turn in to the next gulf/ or even world war pretty damn soon.

Originally posted by mechmoggy
That's great WD...always thinking with your stomach! 😉

I just can't reason on an empty belly. 😛

On topic:

There is been protesting and some rioting (as usual) in the Gaza strip over the victory of Hamas.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/27/palestinian.election/index.html

Which begs the question....could this cause a split between Palestinians? Or just a small group?

This might be the start of a small rebellion within Palestine, but as the Hamas are by far the most powerful entity, even compared to the regular army, the result will be swift and in Hamas' favour.
The situation in this nation is a prime example of how extremists ideas can exceed the common people's wishes.

Hey, if it was democratically decided, then why wouold a country that's engaging in psuedo-terrorist activities in the middle east to spread democracy have any issues with it?

Could it be that people in this world are not all going to view the presence of a 'democracy' spreading western nation like America, as a good thing? If we want the people of Palestine to stop voting in favor of a terrorist-run government, then we need to hack Israel in half and give one side to them. As it is, they are segregated into a little ghettoesque corner of the country.

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
Just last year Palestine and Israel finally came to something remotely an understanding and made a few steps towards a possible peace.

Originally posted by jaden101
i can really see how he would've wanted to party when his Fatah party just got beaten in an election

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Ahhhhh ; Good to see 'the anomaly' again ;

forgive WD ; since he changed to dwarf, his insight has been cut short too 😂

I see, cause that will make it especially easy for them to act in a sophisticated manner. Right

Originally posted by finti
it would make thing easier if you dont have to worry about the delegates you meet aint got no bomb strapped unto their bodies

Ok, I thin k I got it now. Hamas = Terrorist therefore we won't negotiate with them until they have showed that they are not "evil" terrorists anymore (now that they actuially are then leaders of a democratic government would their attacks now be considered an act of war?) -> they can only show that they are not terrorists if they don't attack us when we negotiate with them -> we won't give them a chance.

Or is it that you are saying that all terrorist attacks have to cease before the Hamas are allowed to speak to the glorious US? Kind of hard to achieve isn't it. Are you sure they are actually able to tell everyone what to do and what not?

Or is it that you are saying that all terrorist attacks have to cease before the Hamas are allowed to speak to the glorious US?

Hamas = Terrorist therefore we won't negotiate with them until they have showed that they are not "evil" terrorists anymore

Are you sure they are actually able to tell everyone what to do and what not?

Originally posted by finti
They dont care if they attack innocent people as long as it is for their cause.

Originally posted by finti
US have always had the policy to not to negotiate with terrorists and it aint gonna change now. And there are now doubts wiht the ways Hamas have presentd themselves in the past they aint nothing but a bunch of terrorists

The U.S. deals with regimes as "illustrious" as that of Uzbekistan....

I have heard that while Hamas is a terrorist group, they are commited to making peace with Israel, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

Originally posted by Makedde
I have heard that while Hamas is a terrorist group, they are commited to making peace with Israel, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

indeed but how can they try to make peace with Isreal if they can't even admit that Isreal as a state exists.

Aside from bad PR, how much does the Israeli Administration really care about the innocent people in the Palestinian territories though?

The U.S. deals with regimes as "illustrious" as that of Uzbekistan

Originally posted by finti
and the Uzbegi government blew up a bus when? the Uzbeki government blew up a market place, a dicsco, a shopping mall when?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,963497,00.html

I'm not 100% that I'm on Israel's side anymore. They're just as bad as their enemy sometimes. It's funny how Israel and Pal' pretend they aren't almost exactly alike each other.

I will remind people that Hitler's Government was elected.

Whilst being elected is one important prerequisite for good government that can be dealth with, it is NOT an all-encompassing concept that warrants acceptance by the international community.

Hamas is a vicious and evil organisation that is condemned as a terrorist group by both US and EU; there is no question of any one agenda here, paitning them out simply because they are opponents. Hamas IS evil, pure and simple.

If they do not renounce violence immediately, and so no give up their recently re-stated policy that Israel has no right to exist, then it is not only the right but also the moral duty of other nations to shun them, and perform actions like cutting off funding.

You do not accept such obviously evil regimes simply on the basis of an election. There are other areas to consider.

The Uzbek government boils people to death...