Hamas Victory

Originally posted by finti
I think you need to get more into what was really said and why, Hamas has had an agenda where as the only way to deal with Israel is to blow them up. They also have glorified and recruited suicide bombers among young Palestinians. They dont care if they attack innocent people as long as it is for their cause.
It is issues like these they need to come to terms with, Hamas is in the process of meeting them selves in the door, are they gonna continue the violent way or are they gonna stray away from their past and try a political solution.

US have always had the policy to not to negotiate with terrorists and it aint gonna change now. And there are now doubts wiht the ways Hamas have presentd themselves in the past they aint nothing but a bunch of terrorists

as Hamas and for controlling their own members yes they need to or else they wont have any credibility at all.

you obviously are brainwashy by bush and his adminastrion. 🙄
the us goverment cause the entire problem when they moved the jews to palestine territory.
this is the americans fault for not fixin the problem.
clinton was woking on gettin both sides together. but bush completely ruined all with their terrorist agendas. 🙄
and how is HAMAS evil????? they figth for their people. HAMAS is not the same as Alqeda. but bush and his buddies want you to believe is the same. do some research.

He's not brainwashed, at all.

you obviously are brainwashy by bush and his adminastrion.
the us goverment cause the entire problem when they moved the jews to palestine territory.
this is the americans fault for not fixin the problem.
clinton was woking on gettin both sides together. but bush completely ruined

and how is HAMAS evil????? they figth for their people

Originally posted by preysin
you obviously are brainwashy by bush and his adminastrion. 🙄
the us goverment cause the entire problem when they moved the jews to palestine territory.
this is the americans fault for not fixin the problem.
clinton was woking on gettin both sides together. but bush completely ruined all with their terrorist agendas. 🙄
and how is HAMAS evil????? they figth for their people. HAMAS is not the same as Alqeda. but bush and his buddies want you to believe is the same. do some research.

Wow, now, I just see a fault on the US side now...to blame everything solely on the US is crazy. The Hamas did some really bad thins in my opinion, I jsut think they should get a chance now.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Now, on topic....

A thing to keep in mind is the following. If the American government and EU cuts on foreign aid to the Palestinians where will they go for help? Thus, Iran enters into the stage. And with the current status no one wants Hamas and Iran to work together...there is no logic in cutting the aid to the Palestinians. That would make things more difficult.

Of course it would make things more difficult. One point Hamas has in its favour is that it has respected the ceasefire by not attacking with Suicide bombers and the qassam rockets.

IF People keep saying they are terroristic you are firstly being pre-judical (cause so was Fatah and it changed) so it would be prudent to give peace a chance, and secondly by cutting the finances from the West, you condition Palestine to look for funds in Iraq and Tehran.

Do we want this ? NO.

Hamas was elected DEMOCRATICALLY, by its own people and this decision should be respected.

Originally posted by finti
I really do hope you aint claim no economical education.....................

Education is the most important. These people need to be trained for a trade so that they can make money. They really need engineers, architects, doctors, such and such...

Originally posted by GCG

Hamas was elected DEMOCRATICALLY, by its own people and this decision should be respected.

You can't really respect Terrorism. Sorry, doesn't work like that. And as mention earlier Hamas now has the chance to prove they're no longer a terrorist group. The ball is in their court. Both US and EU are in agreement that Hamas must give up their terrorist past and present.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

You can't really respect Terrorism. Sorry, doesn't work like that. And as mention earlier Hamas now has the chance to prove they're no longer a terrorist group. The ball is in their court. Both US and EU are in agreement that Hamas must give up their terrorist past and present.

Arafat was a terrorist ; things changed. Fatah was supplied by USSR and China with arms and commited terrorist attacks and hijacks.

Hamas targeted civilians. As you said correctly the bal;l is in their court.

Why should it work for Fatah and not for Hamas ?

EDIT: I dont understand why you quoted me.

Originally posted by GCG
Hamas was elected DEMOCRATICALLY, by its own people and this decision should be respected.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Interestingly no speeches from Bush this week on free and fair elections and how the U.S. intends to spread democracy throughout the Middle East. Apparently democracy is only acceptable to the current administration when they favour the outcome of the elections.

Hmm this does seem like a possibility. But maybe he jsut forgot this week.

He would say : "Yeah of course ; It was democratic and we democracy. The palestinian people will now face the consequences of their democratic choice"

Can't say I'm surprised by the result. When you have democracy, and you have a lot of unhappy people that have watched the years slip by with little occurring to improve their lot or give them what they want in life it inevitably happens that they will try something else, even something dangerous, something unproven. And who knows, sometimes it even works.

I like to think, in an optimistic fashion, that HAMAS will use this chance and work in a more peaceable fashion. I mean, it has so many people who are prepared to die for their cause in the fires of martyrdom and all that, so perhaps they should try living for it now. In a fanatical fashion they are passionate, dedicated and it seems at least a little in touch with the Palestinian people and what they want, and maybe more importantly what they need. The thing they need to realise is that Israel isn't going away, what they need to do, for the good of all, is to negotiate. Sharon made a start at least by withdrawing from some occupied areas (for whatever reason.) They have done a lot of bad things that haven't helped anybody but they are infamous for, so nows a chance to do something that deserves to be remembered.

And I think once the furore has died down powers like the US and alike will continue dealing with them. Presenting inflexible absolutes looks good in speeches, but not always in practice. It's one thing not to negotiate with a terrorist organisation led by a man in a cave and working outside of any legitimate form of government - it's another not to deal with a democratically elected government representing a lot of people in one of the most volatile regions on earth, where a loss of aid would lead to a lot of suffering amongst innocent masses. And if the US and EU do cut off all contact it's likely Hamas will turn to nations that have supported it in the past (Iran, Lebanon, Syria etc), nations which the US wouldn't want to get any kind of leg up in the region. And unfortunately, as seen in the past, when push comes to shove the US has supported questionable regimes when they are useful to it's foreign policy. Would it be so odd if the same happened here?

Wow, you really do always type in 3 paragraphs..... 😑 😂

The Fatah faction have been circulating this joke via text messages in Palestine:

"Hamas stopped all suicide bomber operations ahead of the elections, because they needed every vote they could get"

😂

oh boy...