Hamas Victory

The last government we had consisted of Radicals of the 70's so...yes

You are judging them on something they did before....they have to deal with the now

You are denying that the US does not accept Palastines claims for the region that Israel took from them?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Evil by any sane judgment, Evil by international declaration. Simply evil. Anyone who has a problem with that, I think is a complete idiot.

"How glib. I wonder how you'd view it if Chelmsford, Essex was suddenly subverted for use by another people."

What a totally fatuous comparison. Try and find an even vaguely similar situation and it might be worth answering.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Actually, I would deny very strong it is hypocritical, and I think your ability to make moral judgments is seriously screwed up if you equate Israel with the terrorists that attack it.

50 years ago, 1000 years ago- irrelevant. It is done and irreversible, and most importantly, internationally legal.

The Palestinians are opprssed by the West? They are FUNDED by the west. You really should check your facts.

Evil by any sane judgment, Evil by international declaration. Simply evil. Anyone who has a problem with that, I think is a complete idiot.

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"How glib. I wonder how you'd view it if Chelmsford, Essex was suddenly subverted for use by another people."

What a totally fatuous comparison. Try and find an even vaguely similar situation and it might be worth answering.

It is not irreversible at all. Where did you get that idea fro?

Evil is jsut a word that is not appliable. Evil doesn't say anything but that you think they are. You have to stiop pretending that the UN is some superiopr moral institution. They are just as neutral as anyone else.

Don't see how that is a wrong coparasion in any ways, by the way.

I ean morally. They are the "evil" ones while Israel are Inoccents that try to lead a good and decent live never doing anything wrong.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That is a contemptible statement that has removed any respect I ever had for you.

My word, that is an actively immoral thing to say. You are seriously equating the morals of terrorists with modern western Government? I cannot understand how anyone can be so skewed.

I am sad to have lost all your respect, but it just is the way I feel. They all have sides I agree on and sides I disagree on. they are not jut "evil" there is no such concept as "evil", anyways.

Originally posted by finti
so the minority ways of a piss band of cowardly chicken shit group who doesnt dare confronting armed opponents, they are right and the rest of the world is wrong..........

Hamas should start looking out for the Palestinians as a whole and not just their own jiihad agenda

Well obviously the person that stated that is the only one to know what it meant. How the US and anyone else takes it is irrelevant.

Now, that is something I can agree. And I think we should give them a chance to show that they do.

Originally posted by finti
so yes they blew up buses and marked places restaurants and so on?

actually thats what I been saying all along that Hamas have to stray away form their past

show me the documents , interviews of leading US officials that does not accept the Palestinian claims of the west bank

No...your point?

Well jnot only the Hamas...also the people dealing with them. it is not the Hamas who have to declare anything.

Alright I can't produce those. My impression though was that the US supports Israel's clai for a country in that region that formerly belonged to Palastine..maybe I am wrong.

No...your point?

Well jnot only the Hamas...also the people dealing with them. it is not the Hamas who have to declare anything

Alright I can't produce those. My impression though was that the US supports Israel's clai for a country in that region that formerly belonged to Palastine..maybe I am wrong

Originally posted by Bardock42
Alright I can't produce those. My impression though was that the US supports Israel's clai for a country in that region that formerly belonged to Palastine..maybe I am wrong.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The U.S. has recognised the right for a Palestinian state. However whether this will be a viable state remains to be seen. Even if Israel were to withdraw to within the pre-1967 borders, they would still hold around 80 percent of the territory that was formerly Palestine. Whether they intend to do even that is uncertain, but IMO it is unlikely to do so.

Yeah well but "It's not who they am underneath but what they do that defines them" ....so basically accepting Palastine as State but also accepting Israels borders does not work together

Originally posted by finti
you need it in with a tea spoon or something?

in a governmental position as of how Hamas have gotten them self into they need to act like a diplomatic, blowing up buses aint diplomatic

that area has changed "owners" for thousands of years now, UN set up the state of Israels as a homelands of the jews, a land that used to be Jewish before they were overthrown

Would be nice, yes.

Did the Blow Up a Bus since they got elected?

Wasn't it more like it changed thousands of years ago and then it just recently changed back? I mean why should Israel get a country there? It's not fair at all...they should have gotten a part of Gerany or something. Or unoccupied areas...but creating a country where there already exists one is, as Ush would say "evil", even if the UN agreed to it.

Western media is not going to personify itself, or its allies as 'evil' ; I think this reasoning (by default) has been over-looked so MANY times.

So the argument is that hamas is evil.......as opposed to who ?

Is the west responsable for killing civilians ? Yes, it is, Indircetly, but it is.

Wasn't it more like it changed thousands of years ago and then it just recently changed back?

So the argument is that hamas is evil.......as opposed to who ?

Originally posted by finti
nah it changed many times the last thousand years
as to those who don't use violence as a tool for their political goals

So basically, all those nations who strive for peace and deplore the use of arms ?

So basically, all those nations who strive for peace and deplore the use of arms ?

Originally posted by finti
as for those organisations and political partys that dont use weapons to make a point

But if the organisations and political parties want weapons to make a point, who is to deny them this ? The UN ? US ? UK ? France ? Russia ? China ?

Originally posted by finti
as to those who don't use violence as a tool for their political goals

So compared to no one...

But if the organisations and political parties want weapons to make a point, who is to deny them this ? The UN ? US ? UK ? France ? Russia ? China ?

Originally posted by finti

money talks and money can be traced so you do the math, ................in the end when the money supply runs dry the organisation is on a loosing streak

That is no where near an answer to my question. The subject here is Hamas being 'evil' and I asked as opposed to what, to which you replied that its political parties and organisations who dont advocate the use of violence in their means of achievments.

The reason why you and me and over a million of other people on this planet seem to think that 'Hamas' is evil is cause they are killing Israeli civilians. - FACT

The media says so and Hamas has the balls to claim responsability. Therfore Hamas are evil for claiming responsability. - FACT

Do you want to know who profits off the murderous trade of tens of thousands of civilians that died in civil wars in Africa, Asia, the MIddle East and other regions around the globe ?

The US, UK, France, Russia and China are RESPONSABLE for over 80% of arms that made their way into the hands of evil, that kill so many civilians on the base of ethnicity and religion. - FACT

Sadly, these are the 5 permanent members of the UN. - FACT

You do the math.

The subject here is Hamas being 'evil' and I asked as opposed to what,

and there are more to this earth than US , UK, France, Russia and China

Of course there is more, yet its those countries that are running ahead, making rules and breaking them.

Originally posted by GCG
Ahhhhh ; Good to see 'the anomaly' again ;

forgive WD ; since he changed to dwarf, his insight has been cut short too 😂

I was trying to be sarcastic but failed miserably. It is unfortunate that jaden concentrates more on people's mistakes rather than discuss the topic at hand. But no biggie...

Now, on topic....

A thing to keep in mind is the following. If the American government and EU cuts on foreign aid to the Palestinians where will they go for help? Thus, Iran enters into the stage. And with the current status no one wants Hamas and Iran to work together...there is no logic in cutting the aid to the Palestinians. That would make things more difficult.

there is no logic in cutting the aid to the Palestinians. That would make things more difficult.