Master Vandar vs Yoda

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
No, he's dead. I realize that's a minor inconvenience in most sagas, but there's no way he survived Katarr being eaten like that.

Except for the fact that they have no way of knowing if he was there for sure. Afterall Zez, Kavar and Vrook all thought Atris died on Katarr as well... However its very unlikely that Vandar would have survived Katarr and would not have said anything to anybody so he's dead.

He's pretty much listed everywhere as having died there. If he was brought back, it'd be so contrived...

It's highly unlikely, not impossible. Rule 1: We need the body

Yeah tobad the entire planet is gone...

Also....Vandar killed by....Exar Kun, what the hell?!
....did anyone else just get the image of Exar huddled in a dark corner during his little out of body experience singing "One million bottles of beer on the wall"?

Visas survived that, too....and for all we know Vandar pulled an Atris

Visas survived because Nihilus wanted her to survive... Vandar surviving is so incredibly highly unlikely that even speculating about it is stupid, the guy is dead utnil we hear otherwise and we are never going to hear otherwise.

Are we sure he wanted Visas to survive? We don't really know that much...
But yeah, I agree until further notice Vandar's a dead man. However, the no body rule is a factor

Visas is the only one of an entire planet to survive, he then picks her up and uses her as his apprentic eand trains her...

If he would have wanted her dead and couldn't do it at first he would have done so later on. He wanted her to survive.

Yeah, but we don't know a thing about Nihilius even KNOWING Visas lived. For all we know he was surprised she lived and decided she was worth further study

Kermit the frog!!!!!!

Nah, Yoda. We haven't seen enough of Vandaar to say he is the stronger.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, but we don't know a thing about Nihilius even KNOWING Visas lived. For all we know he was surprised she lived and decided she was worth further study

Nope, the comic makes this quite clear. Nihilus deliberately lets her live...

Yoda is probably better than Vandar, but the evidence we do have in terms of Vandar's experience:

- He was around during the Great Sith War and his students either didn't turn on him or they didn't manage to kill him. He also probably predicted in the final attack on Yavin 4. Of course, we can assume Yoda would be able to do the same if he was put it such a situation.

- During the Jedi Civil War, Vandar presumably predicted Malak's attack and was among the Enclave survivors. As far as Yoda, without Sidious around, Yoda is capable of predicting a great many things.

- However, Vandar couldn't counter Bastila's battle meditation that well. Yoda probably could, since he is also advanced in the art of battle meditation and presumably knows how to counter it.

Yoda would be wise enough not to go to a place like Katarr, as he didn't encourage a Jedi gathering during the Great Jedi Purge. Overall, Yoda would appear superior to Vandar in force skills, and as far as lightsaber skills, Vandar hid in a council room during two full-scale wars, a period of 9 years, Yoda fought on the front lines several times in a period of three years,

- He was around during the Great Sith War and his students either didn't turn on him or they didn't manage to kill him. He also probably predicted in the final attack on Yavin 4. Of course, we can assume Yoda would be able to do the same if he was put it such a situation.

Hu what? We never even see Vandar before Kotor he was around that much is certain, but what he did why and how we don't know..

- During the Jedi Civil War, Vandar presumably predicted Malak's attack and was among the Enclave survivors. As far as Yoda, without Sidious around, Yoda is capable of predicting a great many things.

Perhaps or perhaps he was just hanging out on Coruscant with the rest of the High Council, or maybe he was eating some apple pie with the girl next door...

- However, Vandar couldn't counter Bastila's battle meditation that well. Yoda probably could, since he is also advanced in the art of battle meditation and presumably knows how to counter it.

Nobody could have countered that, she was a Battle Meditation goddes, not even amongst the masters was there one as good as her. It was a special talent she had that made her very important to both the Jedi and the Sith during the war, not being able to counter that does not speak against him. And its very unlikely that yoda would have been able to counter it.

for the rest however, Yoda could have very well called for a meeting like that, or perhaps he would not have. Vandar possibly was or wasn't on the high council during the time of Exar Kun, and we don't know if he fought in any battles there. He did train Revan and Revan turned against him so saying that he never had a student turn against him is also wrong.

All in all we still have no idea on the power of Vandar.

Well, Revan was considered special enough to be trained by Zhar, Vandar, Kreia and Kae (possibly the same person as Kreia).

There is no evidence that suggests Vander had power even comparible to Yoda's.

Originally posted by Numan
There is no evidence that suggests Vander had power even comparible to Yoda's.

Except for him being one of the if not the most important leader of a Jedi order that lived in a time of war... He's not going to be weak and we have no way of comparing him to Yoda, logically Yoda would win because we know more about him. However can we be sure? Or even close to sure? Hell no.

Originally posted by Fishy
Except for him being one of the if not the most important leader of a Jedi order that lived in a time of war... He's not going to be weak and we have no way of comparing him to Yoda, logically Yoda would win because we know more about him. However can we be sure? Or even close to sure? Hell no.

That could have been due to his diplomacy or wisdom. It doesn't give us any indication to his fighting ability.

True, but its most likely that he has at least some fighting ability's, who in heavens name could have lead the Jedi Order or been in the high council and still be weak as hell. Besides if he was smart he would be powerful in the force as well.

Originally posted by Fishy
True, but its most likely that he has at least some fighting ability's, who in heavens name could have lead the Jedi Order or been in the high council and still be weak as hell. Besides if he was smart he would be powerful in the force as well.

He was definitely powerful but not Yoda powerful.