Originally posted by Numan
You are obviously too dumb to understand what I said. Mandalore claimed that Kavar was the most suited in the jedi order to lead the Republic in battle during the Mandalorian Wars as he was the best warrior. He obviously though of Kavar as a better warrior than Vandar, and my point was that if Vandar was better than Kavar by a huge amount, it would be unlikely that Mandalore would have thought Kavar to be the better warrior. And from gameplay in KOTOR2, we can at least get a good picture of how well Kavar dueled with a lightsaber, how fast he was and how strong he was in the force (shown in a cutscene), so it is not completely useless.
Originally posted by Numan
The reason that I called him dumb was because I didn't like his tone from earlier and because it is obvious from his posts that he is trying to prove everything I say wrong and I don't have the time to reply to every single thing he has said.
Well if he's making you mad, ignore him. Insults aren't getting you anywhere. They just snowball into more drama. It's a bit bothersome to log on and see you and Calvin sparring in three or four different threads. I think you both need to stop a minute, reevaluate your positions, and be more cordial to each other. This isn't a sandbox, it's a public forum.
Originally posted by Numan
The reason that I called him dumb was because I didn't like his tone from earlier and because it is obvious from his posts that he is trying to prove everything I say wrong and I don't have the time to reply to every single thing he has said.
Originally posted by Numan
You are obviously too dumb to understand what I said. Mandalore claimed that Kavar was the most suited in the jedi order to lead the Republic in battle during the Mandalorian Wars as he was the best warrior. He obviously though of Kavar as a better warrior than Vandar, and my point was that if Vandar was better than Kavar by a huge amount, it would be unlikely that Mandalore would have thought Kavar to be the better warrior. And from gameplay in KOTOR2, we can at least get a good picture of how well Kavar dueled with a lightsaber, how fast he was and how strong he was in the force (shown in a cutscene), so it is not completely useless.
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Well if he's making you mad, ignore him. Insults aren't getting you anywhere. They just snowball into more drama. It's a bit bothersome to log on and see you and Calvin sparring in three or four different threads. I think you both need to stop a minute, reevaluate your positions, and be more cordial to each other. This isn't a sandbox, it's a public forum.
While I might have slightly insulted him I have been trying to make the thread into more of a debate than one huge argument because I know how annoying that can be. But if you read the last page you will see that they were more out of order than I was. My problem isn't with you Aristocrat or you Fishy and Calvin. I've just joined and I don't want to make like a hundred enemies so lets just forget about earlier.
Originally posted by Numan
You are obviously too dumb to understand what I said. Mandalore claimed that Kavar was the most suited in the jedi order to lead the Republic in battle during the Mandalorian Wars as he was the best warrior.
Wrong. He said that Kavar was the most suited to lead the Republic into battle because he was the best tactician (except Revan). Can Thrawn take down Jedi in melee combat because he's the greater tactician ?
He obviously though of Kavar as a better warrior than Vandar, and my point was that if Vandar was better than Kavar by a huge amount, it would be unlikely that Mandalore would have thought Kavar to be the better warrior.
Kavar was a Jedi Guardian and Vandar was a Consular. The latter ones aren't known for fighting compared to the first. So this again proofs exactly nothing. Yoda > Mace Windu. Still Mace was more famous for duelling skills than Yoda.
And from gameplay in KOTOR2, we can at least get a good picture of how well Kavar dueled with a lightsaber, how fast he was and how strong he was in the force (shown in a cutscene), so it is not completely useless.
Remind me: Where did you see him use the force or his lightsaber in a "cutscene" ? It depents on your class choice and the order in which you visit the masters what Kavar teaches you. If the lightside ending is canon, he doesn't fight in the entire game. The only things we know is:
- he froze 4 soldiers when meeting the exile for the first time
- he was trying to capture / kill Malak but only escaped barely alive (and we don't know the circumstances here)
- he was killed be Kreia on Dantooine
How can you judge his power from this ?
"Kavar was a Jedi Guardian and Vandar was a Consular. The latter ones aren't known for fighting compared to the first. So this again proofs exactly nothing. Yoda > Mace Windu. Still Mace was more famous for duelling skills than Yoda."
Well than it is likely to assume from what you have just said that Vandar didn't have too much experience when it comes to duels.
"Wrong. He said that Kavar was the most suited to lead the Republic into battle because he was the best tactician (except Revan). Can Thrawn take down Jedi in melee combat because he's the greater tactician ?"
Ok, my bad. I haven't played KOTOR" for ages so I may be a little shady on the facts.
"Remind me: Where did you see him use the force or his lightsaber in a "cutscene" ?"
He stunned those people when he firsts meets up with The Exile.
Originally posted by Numan
...it is obvious from his posts that he is trying to prove everything I say wrong and I don't have the time to reply to every single thing he has said.
Numan, not sure if you know what a debate is, but to put it simply, in a debate you try to support your side of the argument, while proving your opponent wrong. So to put it simply, he is supposed to try and prove you wrong and if you do not feel like posting a rebuttle, then get out of a debate forum
Originally posted by Numan
Well than it is likely to assume from what you have just said that Vandar didn't have too much experience when it comes to duels.
Yoda is pretty much the epitome of the jedi consular, yet would you argue that he has no experience?
Ok, my bad. I haven't played KOTOR" for ages so I may be a little shady on the facts.
If you do not know about the facts, then I suggest you brush up on them, otherwise your credibility will be shot and nobody will have any reason to take anything you say at face value.
He stunned those people when he firsts meets up with The Exile.
I agree with this
Originally posted by Numan
Look Calvin since I said that I have tried to settle this tension so if you can't be a man and settle this, then at least don't ruin the thread with your vendetta against me.
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
Also Numan, I suggest you lay off the insults until you have some experience under your belt. You have no idea of the layout here and what is known. Until you get some experience, cool it.
Yes but it was the way in which he said it, the fact that he went up against me on every single point which he probably agrees with himself and the fact that the arguments weren't exactly that great and it was obvious he was just posting opposite views towards me not for the sake of argement but because of his internet grudge on me. If you or Aristocrat had said what I had said, he would probably not oppose your views and it was frustrating that I had 10 more arguments against me by the time I replied to one.
Originally posted by Numan
"If you do not know about the facts, then I suggest you brush up on them, otherwise your credibility will be shot and nobody will have any reason to take anything you say at face value."What, by playing KOTOR2 again. I don't have as much free time as you do.
Erm... no one is saying you have to play it by next week or anything. But KOTOR is a save anytime game. I work and go to school, full time on both accounts, and I manage to sneak in an hour of watchin movies or gaming here or there. It's not impossible.