JSA DOV Tie in[There was like 6 of them, if you need me dig out the comic for the specific issue number, just ask me.], they tried to summon Thunderbolt and told him to deal with Spectre, and Spectre just eyebeamed him and it was over.
Either way, try to downplay all these feats you want, truth is, most of those are well known lowskyfather all the way to multiversal level destruction threats, all that Spectre handily dealt with. Between that and all the other proof I've given, quotes and excerpts I've shown of his feats and power level, it's quite clear that Spectre is in a league of his own, capable of meeting ANY attack head-on.
Meanwhile you're still trying to base an arguement off of his choices in the past of inaction, which by and by would normally be a decent topic to bring up as he doesn't often consider mortal matters worth his time..... but as I said-- it's completely negated, because he's in the fight already. The thread creator SPECIFIED that Spectre IS in the fight. He's already deemed it worthy of his attention.
We [You and I and everyone else here, regardless of you acting as if he's not that much.]knows Spectre CAN/WILL handle his end of the fight, and pretty easily.
Now--
It's your turn.
You need to show everyone here, myself especially, these Celestials, handling a threat as big as Spectre and Thunderbolt[5th dimension imp.] and other characters of the like that DC Earth is packing in this thread.
And judging by the bio that's unlikely, since The Fantastic 4 defeated/foiled a Celestial.... twice, apperently.
Also, they haven't been able to destroy the Watchers in billions of years of conflict.
Or Exitar, that Thor smashed open with his hammer.
So mighty are they, that Spectre and the entire DC Earth, are surely doomed!
Originally posted by JuntaiEither way, try to downplay all these feats you want, truth is, most of those are well known lowskyfather all the way to multiversal level destruction threats, all that Spectre handily dealt with. Between that and all the other proof I've given, quotes and excerpts I've shown of his feats and power level, it's quite clear that Spectre is in a league of his own, capable of meeting ANY attack head-on.
Downplay? More like analyzed how their relevance to the fight. You showed feats i criticized them and lay it all out. I don't find anything wrong with that. You keep telling me your the only one who gives quotes when in fact quotes are pretty much irrelevant with their feats speaking for themselves. Apocalypse could blurt out more omnipotent hyping self-promotion than Spectre, i guess if i try to get quotes from him, he should be more powerful right?
Meanwhile you're still trying to base an arguement off of his choices in the past of inaction, which by and by would normally be a decent topic to bring up as he doesn't often consider mortal matters worth his time..... but as I said-- it's completely negated, because he's in the fight already. The thread creator SPECIFIED that Spectre IS in the fight. He's already deemed it worthy of his attention.
Choices. Some but majority isn't. Negated by what? oh right? the point where he is in the fight..... repetitive. I don't have to post what i posted a few pages ago so feel free to check and realize i already commented on that not being the case in this fight. Unless of course the thread creator also negated CIS which is not the case.
We [You and I and everyone else here, regardless of you acting as if he's not that much.]knows Spectre CAN/WILL handle his end of the fight, and pretty easily.
I know. Going all out, without the rules, Celestials already have done something to justify Spectre's vengeance. that's clear as day. Unfortunately, the majority of earth's population is taken into consideration as well as earth itself. With it gone, that should be enough to be considered a win.
Now--It's your turn.
You need to show everyone here, myself especially, these Celestials, handling a threat as big as Spectre and Thunderbolt[5th dimension imp.] and other characters of the like that DC Earth is packing in this thread.
Riiiight. You mean when a Celestial joined a superhero team? Why in the heck would they deal with someone like that when no one really oppose them. The only people who have shown to make them look bad was Thanos with Ig and Thanos with HOTU...oh that's only one person. Thanos is basically god or > than spectre but without any rules that govern his power usage. Not in the same position as Spectre's.
fate could always step in he mind controlled a galaxy, spectre would own them donw know why he's in this battle, the fifth dimension genie is trouble even in the fifth dimension he would also defeat the celestials, the pantheons combined who gave spectre trouble would win too, DC earth defeated the millenium giants it took superman blue PLUS added power just to hurt one but it only took thors hammer to hurt the so called most powerful of the celestials.
its not that hard to understand. I said the spectre shouldnt be in this thread in the first place, but he is, so sadly thats a big curbstomp to the celestials, yes the celestials are strong enough to defeat the MU pantheons but can they remake the universe on a whim? I think not, Spectre has done this before many times, but thats why i say he shouldnt have been included, beside spectre there is the fifth dimension genie who belongs to johnny thunder, he is also way to powerful for the celestials IMO he even causes trouble in the fifth dimension, one fifth dimension imp is probably to powerful for even galactus, maybe he shouldnt bein this thread either but superman blue is also a big problem for the celestials he was able to harm a millenium giant and even then the giant was not phased very much with that feat im trying to show that exitar was cracked open by the hammer if thor and i dont believe that thors hammer is stronger then a amped up superman blue, so if superman blue is amped up he would be able to break the celestial armer even more easily then thor's hammer, there are also other beings who can probably break it open like normal superman, can thors hammer crack the moon in half? MM is can be just as strong as superman. Dr Fate is in this battle, last time i checked even the living tribunal has trouble with the sorcerer supreme of the MU, and i think Fate's feats are just as high as Dr Stranges, he has mind controlled an entire galaxy, MM has not mind controlled but had contact with the entire universe at once. They would also have to deal with Wonderwomen with the godwave, and last time i checked captain marvel with all the power of the DC earth feeding into him was able to fight the spectre, the same spectre who defeated hell easily, i dont think the celestials can stand up to that.
Downplay? More like analyzed how their relevance to the fight. You showed feats i criticized them and lay it all out. I don't find anything wrong with that. You keep telling me your the only one who gives quotes when in fact quotes are pretty much irrelevant with their feats speaking for themselves. Apocalypse could blurt out more omnipotent hyping self-promotion than Spectre, i guess if i try to get quotes from him, he should be more powerful right?
--Yeah, but Apocalypse never recreated the universe/multiverse half a dozen times or more, or even operated on every plane. Spectre's feats are out of his league, or even Thanos' league, or even Tribunal's league.
Choices. Some but majority isn't. Negated by what? oh right? the point where he is in the fight..... repetitive. I don't have to post what i posted a few pages ago so feel free to check and realize i already commented on that not being the case in this fight. Unless of course the thread creator also negated CIS which is not the case.
--Like I said- he's in the fight already, in this thread, these beings have already apperently earned the attention of the wrath of god. It's that simple. When Spectre shows up to fight, typically the fight ends there.
I know. Going all out, without the rules, Celestials already have done something to justify Spectre's vengeance. that's clear as day. Unfortunately, the majority of earth's population is taken into consideration as well as earth itself. With it gone, that should be enough to be considered a win.
--I agree, that would be a win, but it won't happen, because Spectre would engage before that came along, and as shown, he's defeated beings out of their league.
Riiiight. You mean when a Celestial joined a superhero team? Why in the heck would they deal with someone like that when no one really oppose them. The only people who have shown to make them look bad was Thanos with Ig and Thanos with HOTU...oh that's only one person. Thanos is basically god or > than spectre but without any rules that govern his power usage. Not in the same position as Spectre's.
--So.... you mean. . . you got nothing but hope that God will interfere and not let him attack?
Or rather, just nothing at all?
Spectre's feats outrank the Infinity Gauntlet too.
Originally posted by GODSCRIBEI don't see how, when the entire thing relies on Spectre not even being there or acting until it's over already, when by the thread maker, he is already in the fight.
Sixth Winged owns this thread.
Then he doesn't have the feats to support the claims they can handle a being like Spectre when Thor smashed open ones armor with his hammer, and there's been Celestials foiled by Dr Doom and The Fantastic 4 and Galactus.... none of which are on Spectre's level.
He's got nothing.
-shrug.-
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't see how, when the entire thing relies on Spectre not even being there or acting until it's over already, when by the thread maker, he is already in the fight.Then he doesn't have the feats to support the claims they can handle a being like Spectre when Thor smashed open ones armor with his hammer, and there's been Celestials foiled by Dr Doom and The Fantastic 4 and Galactus.... none of which are on Spectre's level.
He's got nothing.
-shrug.-
Originally posted by Juntai --Yeah, but Apocalypse never recreated the universe/multiverse half a dozen times or more, or even operated on every plane. Spectre's feats are out of his league, or even Thanos' league, or even Tribunal's league.
......................you do get the point why did i say that........ don't you?
--Like I said- he's in the fight already, in this thread, these beings have already apperently earned the attention of the wrath of god. It's that simple. When Spectre shows up to fight, typically the fight ends there.
And like i already pointed out, i never dismissed he's not. When Spectre shows up, most of the opponents have already been dealt with massive opposition. Then he comes to "fix" things which is really funny cause he was never justifying the deux ex machina level he's supposed to be on when he's on the scene.
--I agree, that would be a win, but it won't happen, because Spectre would engage before that came along, and as shown, he's defeated beings out of their league.
Why not? He wasn't able to prevent major disasters in the past that threatens DC given he was there. He only tries to alleviate the situation a bit but still leaves the major role to the earth based heroes.
--So.... you mean. . . you got nothing but hope that God will interfere and not let him attack?
Or rather, just nothing at all?
Hopes, not hopes. CIS of the various restrictions showned in the past that doesn't allow him to go all out nor quash a situation that quickly.
Spectre's feats outrank the Infinity Gauntlet too.
Only the universe rebuilding bit that thanos wasn't able to do. But aside that, the IG's feat is more impressive as a whole.
Then he doesn't have the feats to support the claims they can handle a being like Spectre when Thor smashed open ones armor with his hammer, and there's been Celestials foiled by Dr Doom and The Fantastic 4 and Galactus.... none of which are on Spectre's level.He's got nothing.
like your non-existant scans or visual aid? Or probably the feat where you mentioned when Thor did do that. Exitar wasn't even bothered even being hit and smashed considering Celestials has shown to be nigh invulnerable to even that kind of attack and would reform almost immediately. He didn't even had a scratch on him after the fight receiving a god blast amplified with the belt of strength. So much power that even mjolnir got shattered
and btw. Right after that, the cleansing of pangoria continued and exitar was so amused at thor he made a replicoid that is his exact copy which had enough power to fix the mjolnir back together
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/repcod.htm
But then again, i've got nothing right?
along with your quotes being more than proof enough aren't they?
spectre is already in this battle weather or not he has not stopped this or that is mute there wouldnt be a reason for a series if he just fixed everything now would there, he shouldnt have been in this fight perioud, but since he is the celestials will get owned not might but WILL, and even if he wasnt there, the fifth dimension genie is and he would also own the celestials since the fifth dimension imps have been shown to affect things on a universal scale as shown in emperor joker. Weather or not the spectre hasnt stoped other castastrophies is mute who cares if he hasnt, if he did stop every single fight on a multiversal scale DC would never have sold comics
EX Crisis on infinite earths with the spectre getting involved since the beginning
Result
Issue 1 anti monitor starts destroying the multiverse, spectre shows up and stops him since you think that he should.
Issue 2-12 spectre fixes the world so everyone can have picnics and partys all day long.
Zero Hour. time is being messed up, spectre shows up and fixes everything killing parallax and time trapper, the next few issues are of everyone sitting around playing cards, in fact the JLA would quit since the spectre is around they wouldnt have to do anything since the spectre would always fix things
See how stupid it would be if the spectre got involved in the beginning but spectre in this thread is already involved meaning yes
celestials show up, spectre smashes them, end of story or celestials show up the fifth dimension genie blinks them out of existence.
No, it's proof, and the feats that he's done with my quotes and appearances. As for scans? I don't have a scanner, but I've named the issue numbers and could go as far as page numbers if I had to, but issue imo is enough. A lot of the big ones such as Zero Hour, defeating universe erasing Hal, or multiverse devistating Anti-Monitor in COIE are ones that most people are quickly recognizable to. Same as when he shut off all the powers of the Gods and Quintessence in Day Of Judgement [Within moments of attaining Spectre's power no less.]
He's operating on multiversal level that places him above the Celestials. That's just a simple fact. He's dealt with MULTIVERSAL and UNIVERSAL threats by the DOZENS, and you're claiming that they can defeat him, when they simply don't have the feats to comapare to anything he's done.
On that side of the field, it's all hearsay with no actual fact that they can operate on his level.
Creating a Thor duplicate is nothing, Spectre can make billions of himself. In fact, according to volume 4 starting with "The Mission" issue, it details that there's one of him on every planet, in every plane, in every reality, who do what they're supposed to do there, then return to Spectre Prime, and he makes another one.
Pretty much everything else in your initial arguement, is negated by bloodlust and the fact the thread creator put him here[negating his CIS non-interference code], though as I can see, you're finaly cracking on those pieces.
In the end, there's still no feats that put any of these character's on Spectre's level.
And that's what the point of this was since the very begining.
And that's all there is to it.
-shrug-
Originally posted by MiderThe genies yes, the rest of those no. Mordru is powerful, but he's not universal[at least in a typical showing]. Neither is Raven, or Fate [Though Nabu might be.], they can get to worldly levels though.
DC earth has to many wild card characters that suddenly can opperate on a universal maybe multiversal scale, such as the fifth dimention genie, the spectre, raven, mordru, dr fate, etc
And I know Thor didn't defeat them, I wasn't even suggesting it. He did hit one and put a hole in it though and even knocked it back, and even and lets face it, in the grand scheme of things, Thor ranks little higher than Captain America. Having shown the scans proves little besides visual aid to what I had already stated. [Thanks dude!]
I mean, even IF Spectre didn't just go do it himself.
Which is a possible scenario, given his feats.
A 5th Dimension Imp, Thunderbolt for example. Could be used to put a field around the entire Earth. Protecting it while Spectre handles his business. Or even engage them in fights.
If Thor can put a hole in one, an Imp can turn them into brooms, mops and washrags and clean up Brooklyn and Queensbridge.
I mean, there's just too many powerful chacters that walk DC's Earth that are huge variables in this conflict...
I mean, hell... Kyle is ION again.
And going by the latest Mr Miracle books, Darkseid walks the Earth now, and knows the Anti-Life Equation, which puts him WAY back up the list of powerhouses..
Too many people with world/universal/multiversal level feats to ignore this.
Though I still maintain Spectre can do it solo, EVEN if he was completely removed from the picture altogether, they still have a great chance at winning.
