Insults to muslims or freedom of speech?

Originally posted by maham
well if some paper printed those blasphemous cartoons n they were considered to b reprintable then y not these. this is also freedom of speech. if they defy thte holocaust then they shud also b given a chance to express themselves.

n the Irani gov is not forcin any1 to reprint those cartoons , but the actual matter is to actually show that u blieve in freedom of speech n giv others the chance to express themselves too , even if it goes against wat u bliev in

so wats ur point, do u claim that freedom of speech is wrong and condemn the iranian ridicule of the holocast or do u say that its right and the iranian cartoons are justified just like the prophet's cartoons?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Christains can't be trusted.

Ok, lets put the broad brushes down, and think about this.

Originally posted by maham
well u c there is just this slight difference bt islam n other religions :

in islam depiction the Holy Prophet (sallala ho alaihi wasallam) itself is blasphemous , in a good way or a bad 1 (believe me , i m a muslim.i kno)

n freedom of speech doesn't mean that u start insultin Prophets

it is just a slogan that the west is chantin to justify its anti-islam propaganda n nothin else

n if they astually think it isn't that way then let me inform all of u that Iran id holdin a competition abt 12 best cartoona defyin holocaust

the best cartoons will b printed n the cartoonist will b given agold coin or so n the irani gov's request to the so called " freedom of speech" believin papers is to reprint these cartoons just like they reprinted the blasphemous 1s

Are you going to draw some showinng how George Bush blew up the twin towers? There was a thread on another fforum where the muslims were saying those muslims weren't involved in 911. They were trying to blame the US government for 911. But then we didn't have any thing to do with publishing those pictures either.

Originally posted by markie
...why do you suppose the Muslims are being encouraged to riot anyway, especially over a plainly insignificant cartoon in an insignificant paper?
I suggest that it might be a continuation of a trend by various Muslim "leaders" to deliberately cause riots and mayhem for the purpose of intimidating various milquetoast governments into granting more and more concessions to Muslims, even outside the laws of those countries.
These Muslims and their leaders are basically saying that they can form edicts for their religion... and then can demand that people OUTSIDE their religion must obey those edicts too. And the entire world must toe the Muslim line, whether they agree or not.

There are stages in human development where it is difficult for many individuals to see others' points of view. They insist that they are right, rationalizing away any broader/more mature perspective; that a competing viewpoint "isn't fair;" and often they will "act out" if they don't get what they want.

Although I give the benefit of the doubt that most Muslims are not like this, Broadcast Islam fits the bill.

Originally posted by maham
well u c there is just this slight difference bt islam n other religions :

in islam depiction the Holy Prophet (sallala ho alaihi wasallam) itself is blasphemous , in a good way or a bad 1 (believe me , i m a muslim.i kno)

n freedom of speech doesn't mean that u start insultin Prophets

it is just a slogan that the west is chantin to justify its anti-islam propaganda n nothin else

n if they astually think it isn't that way then let me inform all of u that Iran id holdin a competition abt 12 best cartoona defyin holocaust

the best cartoons will b printed n the cartoonist will b given agold coin or so n the irani gov's request to the so called " freedom of speech" believin papers is to reprint these cartoons just like they reprinted the blasphemous 1s

Originally posted by Mindship
There are stages in human development where it is difficult for many individuals to see others' points of view. They insist that they are right, rationalizing away any broader/more mature perspective; that a competing viewpoint "isn't fair;" and often they will "act out" if they don't get what they want.

Although I give the benefit of the doubt that most Muslims are not like this, Broadcast Islam fits the bill.

Prof. Joel Kotek estimated about 2,000 such cartoons appear annually. The cartoons, Kotek reported, showed a main recurrent motif: "the devilish Jew . . . they behave like Nazis, kill children and love blood." Jews are portrayed as animals -- pigs, monkeys, spiders and octopuses -- and appear as controlling the world. Anyone who wishes to see these cartoons should visit www.tomgrossmedia.com

If the Arabs are going to put these kind of cartoons in their media they don't have a right to complain about what the danish papers put in theirs. http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
Most muslims are not arabs but they are the ones who made such a big ddeal out of this.

Things like riots and burning embasies are inexcusable, in my opinion, but it might be easier to understand if you realize that most of the Arabic rioters have no idea what's going on. They're seeing cartoons far more offensive than any in the paper, cartoons that were created by radical Iman to create bad feeling, and being told that they were published with the rest. They're being told all sorts of lies about what the Danish government is planning to do (burn the Koran and whatnot). They're being told that the cartoons appeared in a state newspaper, and therefore expressed the views of the Danish government.

They still have to take responsibility for their own actions, but there's more going on here than some people seem to realize.

I realize the cartoons were offensive but so are the jewish cartoonns tto jews.. I don't know why they thought that was Mohammed because it could have been anybody. They say it's againsst their rules to draw him even in a respectable manner. Aparently some draw him anyway. http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/ That's all they wanted in the first place was just a picture of him and not a cartoon...They only got cartoons.

atleast they don't insult MOses or any of the Prophets do they?

if they had to show Muslims as terrorrists they cud'v, nobodys stoppin them , but y strike at the point where it really hurts? n then say sorry n as u'v said earlier or mayb some1 else did that they wudn't print somethin they don't bliev in so they don't care wat the truth says cuz the truth doesn't always need to b in their favor

btw dude , i saw those blasphemous pics n who the hell says that they r rite.theyr as awful as these r.since there wasn't much communication bt muslims around the world n that the pppl convertin to Islam lived in a society in which Prophets might hav been depicted so they mite'v thought its rite, but noqw times hav changed.ppl kno it clearly that such a thin is blasphemous

otherwis y do u not c any pics in our mosques?
the ppl who mite hav depictede Him cud b non believers tryin to insult HIm as they obviously want to.
btw dude, i m the muslim here n i think that i hav a better understandin of wats rong n wats rite in my religion so u don't teach me that by some silly logical explanation cuz this not somethin that can b explained that way

all of those pics r different frm eachother n none of us kno how he looked n that proves how rong these pics r

if Allah says don't do it means don't do it. thats it!no need for a reason
this itself is a reason
n i m not blamin the Jews fr anythin anyway.i din't even mention the word "jew" n ur exaggeratin it btw, r u a jew or wat?

Originally posted by maham
atleast they don't insult MOses or any of the Prophets do they?

if they had to show Muslims as terrorrists they cud'v, nobodys stoppin them , but y strike at the point where it really hurts? n then say sorry n as u'v said earlier or mayb some1 else did that they wudn't print somethin they don't bliev in so they don't care wat the truth says cuz the truth doesn't always need to b in their favor

btw dude , i saw those blasphemous pics n who the hell says that they r rite.theyr as awful as these r.since there wasn't much communication bt muslims around the world n that the pppl convertin to Islam lived in a society in which Prophets might hav been depicted so they mite'v thought its rite, but noqw times hav changed.ppl kno it clearly that such a thin is blasphemous

otherwis y do u not c any pics in our mosques?
the ppl who mite hav depictede Him cud b non believers tryin to insult HIm as they obviously want to.
btw dude, i m the muslim here n i think that i hav a better understandin of wats rong n wats rite in my religion so u don't teach me that by some silly logical explanation cuz this not somethin that can b explained that way

all of those pics r different frm eachother n none of us kno how he looked n that proves how rong these pics r

if Allah says don't do it means don't do it. thats it!no need for a reason
this itself is a reason
n i m not blamin the Jews fr anythin anyway.i din't even mention the word "jew" n ur exaggeratin it btw, r u a jew or wat?

Islamic Depictions of Mohammed in Full

Islamic Depictions of Mohammed with Face Hidden

European Medieval and Renaissance Images

Miscellaneous Mohammed Images

Book Illustrations

Dante's Inferno

French Book Covers

Originally posted by maham
atleast they don't insult MOses or any of the Prophets do they?

if they had to show Muslims as terrorrists they cud'v, nobodys stoppin them , but y strike at the point where it really hurts? n then say sorry n as u'v said earlier or mayb some1 else did that they wudn't print somethin they don't bliev in so they don't care wat the truth says cuz the truth doesn't always need to b in their favor

btw dude , i saw those blasphemous pics n who the hell says that they r rite.theyr as awful as these r.since there wasn't much communication bt muslims around the world n that the pppl convertin to Islam lived in a society in which Prophets might hav been depicted so they mite'v thought its rite, but noqw times hav changed.ppl kno it clearly that such a thin is blasphemous

otherwis y do u not c any pics in our mosques?
the ppl who mite hav depictede Him cud b non believers tryin to insult HIm as they obviously want to.
btw dude, i m the muslim here n i think that i hav a better understandin of wats rong n wats rite in my religion so u don't teach me that by some silly logical explanation cuz this not somethin that can b explained that way

all of those pics r different frm eachother n none of us kno how he looked n that proves how rong these pics r

if Allah says don't do it means don't do it. thats it!no need for a reason
this itself is a reason
n i m not blamin the Jews fr anythin anyway.i din't even mention the word "jew" n ur exaggeratin it btw, r u a jew or wat?

the world doesnt run by the rules of ISLAM u know, thats just ur point of view,

n yea, images of jesus n moses come in foriegn newspapers all the time.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the world doesnt run by the rules of ISLAM u know, thats just ur point of view,

Both Christianity and Islam have a problem with this issue. They both project their beliefs onto the world. If their faith was stronger, no one would get offended at some stupid cartoonist or what anyone thinks.

Originally posted by maham
atleast they don't insult MOses or any of the Prophets do they?

if they had to show Muslims as terrorrists they cud'v, nobodys stoppin them , but y strike at the point where it really hurts? n then say sorry n as u'v said earlier or mayb some1 else did that they wudn't print somethin they don't bliev in so they don't care wat the truth says cuz the truth doesn't always need to b in their favor

btw dude , i saw those blasphemous pics n who the hell says that they r rite.theyr as awful as these r.since there wasn't much communication bt muslims around the world n that the pppl convertin to Islam lived in a society in which Prophets might hav been depicted so they mite'v thought its rite, but noqw times hav changed.ppl kno it clearly that such a thin is blasphemous

otherwis y do u not c any pics in our mosques?
the ppl who mite hav depictede Him cud b non believers tryin to insult HIm as they obviously want to.
btw dude, i m the muslim here n i think that i hav a better understandin of wats rong n wats rite in my religion so u don't teach me that by some silly logical explanation cuz this not somethin that can b explained that way

all of those pics r different frm eachother n none of us kno how he looked n that proves how rong these pics r

if Allah says don't do it means don't do it. thats it!no need for a reason
this itself is a reason
n i m not blamin the Jews fr anythin anyway.i din't even mention the word "jew" n ur exaggeratin it btw, r u a jew or wat?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Both Christianity and Islam have a problem with this issue. They both project their beliefs onto the world. If their faith was stronger, no one would get offended at some stupid cartoonist or what anyone thinks.

in islam it is explicitly stated that any1 who ridicules the prophet in the slightest, it is obligatory on every muslim to kill him/her.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
in islam it is explicitly stated that any1 who ridicules the prophet in the slightest, it is obligatory on every muslim to kill him/her.

That sounds like Christianity 1000 years ago.

as ive been tryin to tell people. islam isnt like any other relegion, definately not the type people in the west are used to following, it is a CODE OF LIFE, nuthing less, it IS to be followed without fail, it contains outright FACTS, rules and laws with little room for abstract interpretation, it does NOT allow one to even THINK in a way different than prescribed. if it is not followed it orders wordly punishments to be inflicted other than the suffereing in hell. its not like christianity where it can be taken in many ways, its like state LAW.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as ive been tryin to tell people. islam isnt like any other relegion, definately not the type people in the west are used to following, it is a CODE OF LIFE, nuthing less, it IS to be followed without fail, it contains outright FACTS, rules and laws with little room for abstract interpretation, it does NOT allow one to even THINK in a way different than prescribed. if it is not followed it orders wordly punishments to be inflicted other than the suffereing in hell. its not like christianity where it can be taken in many ways, its like state LAW.

Do you think that Islam will try and impose their law onto the west?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you think that Islam will try and impose their law onto the west?

lmao, u really dont know ANYTHING do u? if they HAD the power, ud already all be imprisoned/converted/in concentration camps or executed.
heck i even got my mother to say what she thought{n shes not even close to what can be called a GOOD, pious muslim} n she said that the world can be allowed to exist in peace ONLY under the rule/power and sword of islam, otherwise muslims should fight till the entire world is under the flag of islam as it is our duty on this earth to spread god's relegion and purge the land of pagans and false beliefs.

really people in the west amuse me sometimes, they really have NO idea whats going on in the less fortunate parts of the world{no offence}