Originally posted by King_Mungi
That's fine, your here now so all is well.huh? Radius didn't do much as he can't extend his forecefield around others only himself. Clone Mac is stated to be in fact weaker, even demoted to Beta Flight being kicked out of Alpha. Hell he probally could as Mac's sent an E-M field around the entire Hellpounder which blocked the atomic blast. Well look at what Guardian has done, Heather took out two Great Beasts and Mac took down Galactus when the combined might of Alpha Flight/Avengers couldn't and he did it with one attack.
Actually they were once again as stated, as Department H blanked most of their memories and rewrote it to suit their needs..completly. Did we even see Vindicator use one blast? Even in early issues of vol.2 when General Clarke was running Department H Puck was making comments he was struggling to fight how he use to, as something was holding him back. What was which was revealed later was them altering his mind. Once again the entire team at that period were losing the advantage to Wolverine you don't think they were hindered at all? Memories is greatly impacted on skill.
But two of which are of a weaker copy and one that was brain washed. If his adamintum claws can't penetrate why would bone claw Wolverine still have the advantage? I just don't see it. However, my main beef was the fact you stated he beat him when he never did. Guardian is underated
1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-19.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlightv191-20.jpg
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Alpha Flight #94 (Vol.1)
Knowing the best way to stop Headlok is to activate Mac's computer mind, so Vindicator, Windshear, Human Torch, Shaman and Witchfire all attack him at once and all it did was activate his computer mind1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight94-15.jpg
2. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight94-16.jpg
3. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/AlphaFlight94-17.jpg
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*shrugs* Mac seemed to think that Radius' force field would reinforce the one that he and Clone Mac had set up to stop the blast. I don't understand forcefield science but Mac is a genius and he got the impression that Radius' power would help him in that situation. Did it? I don't know but he seemed to think that it would. Anyway the nuke feat is hardly the norm and it took three people to pull off; Mac may have been the pillar of the feat but who can say how much the clone and Radius contributed to it?
I'd also like to point out that was an already severely weakened Galactus who was in a dimensional plain that weakened him either further (yes I know you said he was weak, I'm just reiterating). It was still impressive when Mac pulled a Magento on him but it was a "hero moment" against a weaken Galactus. Glads was even reacting to the attacks of Box, Hercules, Quasar and Vindicator, all of whom he would scarcely bat an eyelid at under normal conditions. *shrugs*
Also I'm not saying that Mac's clone was as strong as Mac himself but I don't think the difference is as much as I felt you were making it out to be. He certainly proved him self capable in his own right and his fight with the real Mac wasn't hopelessly one sided.
Anyway once again I'm not condoning any of this Wolverine vs. Guardian fights and I don't think that the are accurate representations of how a fight between the two of them would happen. I brought them up in the first place because some guy in the thread this first started in (I don't remember which one though) asked if Wolverine had ever fought Alpha Flight to which you replied that Guardian had solo'd Wolverine. I then replied that Wolverine has beaten Guardian more then the opposite and maybe I was a little liberal with the word "beat" but Wolverine does seem to be in control of the fight before they are interrupted. Now I think that Wolverine can pierce Guardian's armor and that if the fight in Uncanny 121 wasn't interrupted he would have put down Mac, it doesn't matter in a forum fight since Mac has no reason to fight Wolverine in melee and whether or not Wolverine can cut him or not should never come into play.
