wolverine vs hawkman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So Batman is known to be a talker in battles? hardly. Just because he doesn't say anything doesn't prove he wasn't. Not really all his advantages were neutralized and he was just fighting and even holding Aquaman in battle and then Carter tried to talk sense into Batman. People have mentioned times he got beat when it wasn't even him fully unleashed. A simple feat that is shown is the claw of Horus even knocked out Superman with one blow. A full list of what he can do and what he has done can be read in the bios I have posted below.

No, I do hate Wolverine. However, if Hawkman has all his weapons there isn't much Wolverine could do to him. Explain to me what Wolveine could do to Hawkman?

If you don't know anything about Hawkman do some research:
1. http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=hawkman
2. http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=hawkman2prehw
3. http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=hawkman3
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkman
5. http://www.geocities.com/seanmacdonald_2000/hawk.html
6. http://www.answers.com/main/ntq-tname-hawkman-fts_start-
7. http://members.fortunecity.com/mjstauffer/Characters/Members/HawkmanIII.htm

I already looked at the dc bio and the wikipeda one

wolverine could cut hawkman in half he doesn't have good durablity

batman wasn't talking at all not when he was battleing or anything. which makes me think he wasn't thinking as well as he normally does. furthermore he didn't use any weapons on hawkman.

this fight is without the claw of horus

golden age feats are weird are you trying to say that hawkman beating a speedster isn't PIS. I think your stretching

also has hawkman used the claw of Horus since or before the fight with superman.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Golden Age Hawkman feats:

JLA #30 (vol.1)-Hawkman beats Johnny Quick by knocking him out with a punch after a brief battle where they went move for move creating vortexes and Hawkman outsmarted Quick.

JLA #38 (vol.1)-Hawkman beats an evil Martian Manhunter by causing sparks sliding down a wall igniting oily rags sending MM into a blaze

PIS feats don't count

Hawkman is now as fast as a speedster this is as bad as wolvergod crap. if people used all of wolverine's feats they could make him beat superman with the kind of logic your using.

thanks for the sites though they are appreashated

Originally posted by jasofisc
I already looked at the dc bio and the wikipeda one

wolverine could cut hawkman in half he doesn't have good durablity

batman wasn't talking at all not when he was battleing or anything. which makes me think he wasn't thinking as well as he normally does. furthermore he didn't use any weapons on hawkman.

this fight is without the claw of horus

golden age feats are weird are you trying to say that hawkman beating a speedster isn't PIS. I think your stretching

I didn't post the DC website one, view them all as there have been many incarnations of Hawkman and each talk about the threats he battles.

Catching Hawkman is one thing, if Hawkman can beat and keep up with Jessie Quick he really shouldn't have to worry. Plus Hawkman has even shown to go mach speeds one time or another.

He never ever talks when he is in battle, unless he wants to prove a point. What weapons would work as he has a healing factor and as stated Carter merely laughs at anything less than third-degree burns. He nearly had his arm sliced off and healed completly in moments.

Notice I said all weapons in general.

It actually was pretty good fight, and why is it PIS? He actually used his smarts to beat him, which with his experience makes sense.

Originally posted by jasofisc
PIS feats don't count

Hawkman is now as fast as a speedster this is as bad as wolvergod crap. if people used all of wolverine's feats they could make him beat superman with the kind of logic your using.

Except he has kept up with speedsters in the past, even Flash during his first introduction. So basically any feats he has done you shall discredit them as he has done it countless times. Basically you claimed he is just street level, but he has beaten the top dogs.

Originally posted by jasofisc
also has hawkman used the claw of Horus since or before the fight with superman.

Yes he used it afterwards again

well all you show is golden age feats where using current hawkman with out the claw. Again is he is as good as a fighter as everyone says he should have been able to take out batman with out weapons (batman didn't use weapons).

also your saying that hawkman is as fast as a speedster so really he's top tier level. so was it extream PIS when he fought batman because hawkman has thousands of years experience?

it's not that i'm discrediting feats it's that they don't appear anywhere currently that you have shown. I won't discredit any current feats. but golden age is a little iffy

that's like when their is a thread with superman and people just use pre-crisis just because the thread starter didn't say it was current

were using the current hawkman so i want current feats.

on another note thanks for the info about the claw of horus

Originally posted by jasofisc
well all you show is golden age feats where using current hawkman with out the claw. Again is he is as good as a fighter as everyone says he should have been able to take out batman with out weapons (batman didn't use weapons).

also your saying that hawkman is as fast as a speedster so really he's top tier level. so was it extream PIS when he fought batman because hawkman has thousands of years experience?

Current Hawkman is actually stronger and more vicious than Goldenage. He should have, but Batman has taken out Grundy with just a few hits. He makes everyone job and that's a fact.

His reflexes are, same how Puck and Deadly Ernest due to their age and as stated their experience allows them to tag people like Northstar & Aurora. They wern't even really fighting though, basically he was trying to talk Batman out of it.

Originally posted by jasofisc
it's not that i'm discrediting feats it's that they don't appear anywhere currently that you have shown. I won't discredit any current feats. but golden age is a little iffy

It was still Carter Hall, and current Hawkman usually routninely battles Hawk demons and gods. As well he defeated Onimar Synn

sorry dude that's not good enough just any current feats will do not reasoning that the current one is better then the older one. Pre-crisis superman is still clark kent

Originally posted by jasofisc
were using the current hawkman so i want current feats.

on another note thanks for the info about the claw of horus

Actually I was wrong, he used it before beating Onimar Synn

if you could show me current hawkman taking out aqua man i would concede or something like that. also their is nothing in his bio that would suggest that kind of speed from current hawkman

Originally posted by jasofisc
sorry dude that's not good enough just any current feats will do not reasoning that the current one is better then the older one. Pre-crisis superman is still clark kent

His past life from the JSA is still canon, unless recently retconned with the new Infinite Crisis. He even spent years prior to goldenage Hawkman as a cowboy and that's still canon. All his past lives are still canon.

Originally posted by jasofisc
if you could show me current hawkman taking out aqua man i would concede or something like that. also their is nothing in his bio that would suggest that kind of speed from current hawkman

During the JLA ark he even physical held Aquaman from breaking free and then clashed with Batman. I'm talking about actual comic scans in the actual comics, not just bios.

I thought everything was set over after infinity crisis and they changed history of every character. If i'm wrong that fine even still I would like current feats so that I could know that your not just using PIS feats. the reason I said thouse were PIS feat was because the bio doesn't say superspeed is one of his powers at least not at the level of flash or jonny quick.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
During the JLA ark he even physical held Aquaman from breaking free and then clashed with Batman. I'm talking about actual comic scans in the actual comics, not just bios.

which JLA ark?

Originally posted by jasofisc
I thought everything was set over after infinity crisis and they changed history of every character. If i'm wrong that fine even still I would like current feats so that I could know that your not just using PIS feats. the reason I said thouse were PIS feat was because the bio doesn't say superspeed is one of his powers at least not at the level of flash or jonny quick.

Not every character, Animal Man is still the same, basically everyone is still the same. Batman's origin has gone back to Golden age where they found his parents murders. We don't know whos history is yet changed, but during 52 #26 they have the origin of Hawkman & Hawkgirl and Golden Age Hawkman and cowboy Hawkman and a medevial Hawkman using a sword are shown.

It's experience, as I noted Puck and Deadly Ernest have tagged speedsters before as stated due to their experience.

Originally posted by jasofisc
which JLA ark?

JLA Crisis ark, same as when he "lost" to Batman.