Darth Malak versus Darth Traya

Sorgo, Nomi's probably older than Kreia. So unless Sion borrows a page from that Trekkie fanboy in the other forum and time-travels, he's not going to do jack about Nomi's experience.

Indeed, but do we really have any indication on how powerful Nomi would have become? No, so whats the point in debating it?

Originally posted by IKC
Sorgo, Nomi's probably older than Kreia. So unless Sion borrows a page from that Trekkie fanboy in the other forum and time-travels, he's not going to do jack about Nomi's experience.

We all saw Sion kick the living shit out of Kreia.

Age is always good for experience, but age also can be a block.

Originally posted by Lord Septimus
So because Nomi is older this seals her an automatic win and more strength in the Force?

We all saw Sion kick the living shit out of Kreia.

Age is always good for experience, but age also can be a block.

they are Sith remember!

Originally posted by DE Calvin
He did? If you are referring to when he cheap-shotted her, thats not exactly a fair fight.

I'm talking about when Nihilus whipped the Lightsaber out of her hand and then Sion kicked the crap out of her.

Oh! And then he cut off her hand in one swing in a Duel.

Originally posted by Lord Septimus
I'm talking about when Nihilus whipped the Lightsaber out of her hand and then Sion kicked the crap out of her.

Oh! And then he cut off her hand in one swing in a Duel.

Originally posted by DE Calvin
A duel? She had no lightsaber.

What the...??!

Some of the greatest Ancient Sith Lords didn't have Lightsabers and she had the ability to block his attacks. She was outdueled. It was that simple.

Originally posted by Lord Septimus
What the...??!

Some of the greatest Ancient Sith Lords didn't have Lightsabers and she had the ability to block his attacks. She was outdueled. It was that simple.

The Sith Lord of old, while not having lightsabers, used swords, and was a commonplace weapon among them, making it fair.

Originally posted by DE Calvin
Block his attacks with what? A Vibrosword?

Yup.

Enemies were doing it to me throughout the entire game. If she was good enough, she would have blocked the Sith Lords attacks. She may be a powerful deity with the Force but when it comes to Lightsabers? No. We saw her lose three times with Lightsabers. Once to Sion, Once to the Exile and then Nihilus ripped her Saber from her hand.

Originally posted by DE Calvin
The Sith Lord of old, while not having lightsabers, used swords, and was a commonplace weapon among them, making it fair.

What? Did a Lightsaber add an extra 2+ Dueling skill to Sion? Please. Kreia lost. Bottom line.

Originally posted by Lord Septimus
Yup.

Enemies were doing it to me throughout the entire game. If she was good enough, she would have blocked the Sith Lords attacks. She may be a powerful deity with the Force but when it comes to Lightsabers? No. We saw her lose three times with Lightsabers. Once to Sion, Once to the Exile and then Nihilus ripped her Saber from her hand.

The fight hadn't even started Kreia was just talking and lost her hand.

The first time you see Sion kicking Kreia Nihilus does all the work, we never see Kreia fighting Nihilus with a lightsaber ever and her fight with the Exile was probably not for real. Besides Kreia after that somehow managed to escape, she had the upper hand in that fight for some reason or another after she had lost her hand which must have cost incredible pain. If she would have been serious what chance would Sion have had?

The fight hadn't even started Kreia was just talking and lost her hand.

What the hell are you talking about?! Sion didn't even initiate the damn fight! And Kreia managed to block ONE of his attacks with her shoddy swordfighting skills and still got her hand lopped off.

The first time you see Sion kicking Kreia Nihilus does all the work, we never see Kreia fighting Nihilus with a lightsaber ever and her fight with the Exile was probably not for real. Besides Kreia after that somehow managed to escape, she had the upper hand in that fight for some reason or another after she had lost her hand which must have cost incredible pain. If she would have been serious what chance would Sion have had?

Serious? She went to attack Nihilus! SHE IGNITED HER LIGHTSABER! But... Nihilus was too damn powerful and ripped her Lightsaber out of her hand and smashed her against the nearest wall.

Then Sion took it from there and kicked her ass.

I'd really like to see how Kreia got away from Sion. The whole battle seemed contrived to me. And of course, when she reached Malachor she had NO trouble in dominating him at all.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I'd really like to see how Kreia got away from Sion. The whole battle seemed contrived to me. And of course, when she reached Malachor she had NO trouble in dominating him at all.

Whoa... Kreia planned to get her hand cut off? This is bullshit now.

She plans her fight with the Exile, the situation with Nihilus and now this?

It's crap. She didn't plan to get her hand cut off. It's damned crap.

So what's your explanation? I'm just proposing a possible alternative. There's no real conclusive evidence one way or another. I mean, Sion hated her. If he disabled her and she was writhing in pain (As we clearly saw) why did he not kill her?

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
So what's your explanation? I'm just proposing a possible alternative. There's no real conclusive evidence one way or another. I mean, Sion hated her. If he disabled her and she was writhing in pain (As we clearly saw) why did he not kill her?

She could have used the Force or persuasion to Sion.

I mean... They could have even teamed up at that time.

I mean... They never showed when they actually did concur together except for the Republic Cruiser.

Sion clearly outclassed her in Lightsaber Combat.

And we saw how Sion crumbled to the Exiles lyrics on Malachor.

Kreia was far more intelligent and manipulative. Why didn't she just pull the same shit off?

Y'know... Instead of purposely getting her hand cut off, which honestly sounds damn silly to me.

I wouldn't say the fight was conclusive evidence that Sion outclassed her in lightsaber combat. If anything, her offhand was taken off. And in any case, lightsaber combat from Traya is the least of anyone's worries- they have to contend with her uber force mastery!

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
I wouldn't say the fight was conclusive evidence that Sion outclassed her in lightsaber combat. If anything, her offhand was taken off. And in any case, lightsaber combat from Traya is the least of anyone's worries- they have to contend with her uber force mastery!

All I saw was her being outclassed - completely. She doesn't seem well with a Lightsaber.

But yeah. She is like Uber Force Deity.