Originally posted by Mider
ok if WW didnt have her super speed and Jean didnt have her force field how would the battle go?
Jean still dies horribly.
Originally posted by ixie
Jean. Theres that exploding brain thing.
Which won't work on Wonder Woman, with her being immune to telepathy and all, if you've been reading the thread.
Originally posted by ixie
How about not. Of course the fight will start with Jean's shields up. And there's that tk field thing that's entirely different from tk shield. It's gonna be like swiming in a material as strong or stronger than steel with a 1/4 mile diameter. WW has to pass through those things first before reaching Jean.
That would include prep. This a no prep battle. Having a forcefield up BEFORE the battle begins is prep.
Besides the forcefield would go down faster than you can say "uno"
You're assuming that Jean will SOMEHOW manage to put up shield, use her TK to make a statis field that will slow her down (which it won't "stronger than steel?" Diana uses steel as dental floss.) telepathically track her AND somehow put a TK field in her brain....ALL before a sublight speed opponent breaks her neck.
Let's do a simple test. Yes or no answer.
We have laser gun that fires a lightspeed beam. The beam is fired at the start of the battle. Can Jean somehow do all the things you mentioned before the beam goes through her head? No. Her reflexes simply aren't that fast.
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Originally posted by Draco69
That would include prep. This a no prep battle. Having a forcefield up BEFORE the battle begins is prep.Besides the forcefield would go down faster than you can say "uno"
You're assuming that Jean will SOMEHOW manage to put up shield, use her TK to make a statis field that will slow her down (which it won't "stronger than steel?" Diana uses steel as dental floss.) telepathically track her AND somehow put a TK field in her brain....ALL before a sublight speed opponent breaks her neck.
Let's do a simple test. Yes or no answer.
We have laser gun that fires a lightspeed beam. The beam is fired at the start of the battle. Can Jean somehow do all the things you mentioned before the beam goes through her head? No. Her reflexes simply aren't that fast.
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You're giving WW way too much credit. If i remember correctly, in that mentioned fight against Sinestro, WW used all her strength just to support half a bridge. Sure it was about aroung a hundred tons but she could only keep it up for a few seconds/minutes and it wasn't even the whole bridge. And WW is nowhere near near lightspeed.
Originally posted by Draco69
I'm not convinced that would work either. Her insides are as tough as her outsides.
Originally posted by ixie
I can't even imagine Superman surviving a hand granade exploding in his brain and Jean can create telekinetic explosions far, far stronger than a hand granade's. Plus she can do multiple explosions up to who knows how many per second. Or she can suffocate her with her force field like what invisible woman does.
Really? Then you don't know Superman. The guy can take nukes, and his insides are every bit as tough as his outside. There's a forcefield protecting his cells. A grenade would hardly do anything inside his head.
WW will be able to take Jean's head off before she can suffocate her. All it takes is getting 1 finger on JG and it's over.
I always thought the force feild only protected his outside of his body and some of his insides like his lungs and such. Oh well I guess I was wrong. anyways WW doesn't need to speed bliz Jean to win. If WW doesn't speed bliz Jean then we will actualy have a fight, Jean's shields can take a whole lot of punishment. But I do see WW eventualy geting though them.
Originally posted by Draco69
That would include prep. This a no prep battle. Having a forcefield up BEFORE the battle begins is prep.Besides the forcefield would go down faster than you can say "uno"
You're assuming that Jean will SOMEHOW manage to put up shield, use her TK to make a statis field that will slow her down (which it won't "stronger than steel?" Diana uses steel as dental floss.) telepathically track her AND somehow put a TK field in her brain....ALL before a sublight speed opponent breaks her neck.
Let's do a simple test. Yes or no answer.
We have laser gun that fires a lightspeed beam. The beam is fired at the start of the battle. Can Jean somehow do all the things you mentioned before the beam goes through her head? No. Her reflexes simply aren't that fast.
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Whoah, u guys really are giving WW too much credit....obviously you all haven't been reading...WW is not nearly as fast as you all say she is, LOL, but i guess you're just that big of a fan, but to correct you, WW is not faster than thought, she is only fast asz the speed of light at her maximum, and it kills her energy....dont believe me, go research it for yourself....i'm not tryna knock her off but you all are giving her way too much credit, jean has a limitless not limited but LIMITLESS power of TK, and she could take WW and control her movements with a thought.
Originally posted by sese4lyfe
Whoah, u guys really are giving WW too much credit....obviously you all haven't been reading...WW is not nearly as fast as you all say she is, LOL, but i guess you're just that big of a fan, but to correct you, WW is not faster than thought, she is only fast asz the speed of light at her maximum, and it kills her energy....dont believe me, go research it for yourself....i'm not tryna knock her off but you all are giving her way too much credit, jean has a limitless not limited but LIMITLESS power of TK, and she could take WW and control her movements with a thought.
Actually, Diana is listed in JLA as being one of the people on the team who *can* move faster than the speed of thought; sublight speeds are orders of magnitude faster than thought. Merely moving as "conventional" super-sonic speeds in combat (which she can easily do) is much faster than thought.
As far as TK power vs. strength: Jean's feats are all over the place. As mentioned four years ago, Rogue, She-Hulk, and Juggs have all broken free of her control, and Diana is much stronger than the former two. WW has broken through powerful forcefields, a la' several Green Lanterns and Sinestro, with one blow via sheer brute strength. Her durability/resistance as demonstrated over the past decade makes an instant TK brain kill unlikely (damaging, certainly, and painful, but not enough to take her down; in the early 90's, well before several of Diana's upgrades, she took two bullets through a portion of her brain and survived -- her durability now is much greater, and especially against kinetic assaults, of which she is nearly as resistant as Superman.) Ironically, Jean's better chances (assuming she isn't taken down at the start) is to attempt to TK manipulate any powerful electrical sources in the area and try to shock WW from behind -- not a certain situation/technique, by any means, but one that would be much more effective than Jean using the attacks listed previously. Also, while WW's speed is considerable, Jean's other bit of leeway is that Diana isn't likely to speed blitz on the get-go, unless having reason to think it necessary; if Jean starts doing serious damage, then WW will speed/strength blitz her, so Jean has to be *very* clever/careful to eke out the few wins she would get. WW 7-8/10.
Originally posted by sese4lyfe
Whoah, u guys really are giving WW too much credit....obviously you all haven't been reading...WW is not nearly as fast as you all say she is, LOL, but i guess you're just that big of a fan, but to correct you, WW is not faster than thought, she is only fast asz the speed of light at her maximum, and it kills her energy....dont believe me, go research it for yourself....i'm not tryna knock her off but you all are giving her way too much credit, jean has a limitless not limited but LIMITLESS power of TK, and she could take WW and control her movements with a thought.
😖mart: To Educate you my friend the speed of ''thought'' (as you said) is about 300km/hour and the speed of light is 300000km/sec so i suppose now you understand the difference!!! 🙄
Originally posted by kochtgr
😖mart: To Educate you my friend the speed of ''thought'' (as you said) is about 300km/hour and the speed of light is 300000km/sec so i suppose now you understand the difference!!! 🙄
I didn't want to get technical in my response, but thanks for showing the math in the "orders of magnitude" department. 😉