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Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Far to much speculation, this is leading nowhere. The one thing you have not proved is that the LOTR gods could survive in space. All Star Wars has to do is use the Sun Crusher to rip the core from a nearby star and destroy whatever solar system Middle-Earth is part of. As far As I know the Sun Crusher is indestructible. Nothing can destory it.

Ackbar, we might as well presume they can considering that:

1) Melkor has travelled in space

and

2) If not then it makes little sense.

Your post makes no sense. It's basically presuming that the Ainur are going to sit around and let the Empire attack them. If their intelligent, they won't. They'll take the initiative and attack first...

And the Sun Crusher? Seriously, it's not been attacked by anything with the strength or calibre of the Ainur.

it can be destroyed if one was to say...turn himself into a small creaturw and enter it than destroy it from the inside.

And how would that small creature enter the Sun Crusher? Better yet prove up that one can turn into a small creature.

Originally posted by Traya
Ackbar, we might as well presume they can considering that:

1) Melkor has travelled in space

and

2) If not then it makes little sense.

Your post makes no sense. It's basically presuming that the Ainur are going to sit around and let the Empire attack them. If their intelligent, they won't. They'll take the initiative and attack first...

And the Sun Crusher? Seriously, it's not been attacked by anything with the strength or calibre of the Ainur.

The Empire? We are talking about the entire SW universe here, more than just the empire will attack. And Melkor is one person outnumbered by trillions. Your being rational, comparing a god and a few demi-gods to far more people than you can think of.

Unless these Ainur use the force and could predict an invasion, or even have the brains to think of a counter-attack against a SW universe with far better technology they stand a very little chance of survival.

I agree with Akbar.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
And how would that small creature enter the Sun Crusher? Better yet prove up that one can turn into a small creature.

The Valar and other super natrul beings can all change form, as for gettig in the being can change into somethign microscopic.

Ok Lord of the Rings pwns them.

Its called Illuvatar the All powerful. Basically an invincible God of the Lord of the Rings world.

In a wave of His hand he would dispel the Jedi knights and turn Marka Ragnos into a turnip.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Ok Lord of the Rings pwns them.

Its called Illuvatar the All powerful. Basically an invincible God of the Lord of the Rings world.

In a wave of His hand he would dispel the Jedi knights and turn Marka Ragnos into a turnip.

Yeah, If LOTR has Illuvatar then its over.

Zephiel7 you operate on the fact that Illuvatar is completely dominant in SW.

Don't forget that in SW the dominant power is the Force, unless you are saying Illuvatar is the Force itself he will not have such godly powers.

Traya, to make a fight fair, you place both sides on equal ground without completely unfair tactics. So the Valar and Eru are immortal? That is insane that means SW has no chance, and your basing it only on what happens in the LOTR Universe you cannot prove that they have the exact same power in Neutral ground, you can only substantiate that SW and LOTR have even footing, and using all that they have shown in a fight, meaning neither will be "immortal" nor "invincible."]

To add, you have also stated that the Valar and Eru will wtfpwn everything, within Middle Earth, which Eru created, meaning the very matter within Middle Earth is of Eru, so quite obviously he can create and destroy at his own will. But prove that he controls matter outside of Valinor and Middle Earth, prove that the Universe bekons to his will, Prove that The Force, which controls everything in the SW universe is inferior to Illuvatar.

If you specifically state it is within the LOTR Universe then SW is screwed.

Originally posted by Deception
Zephiel7 you operate on the fact that Illuvatar is completely dominant in SW.

Don't forget that in SW the dominant power is the Force, unless you are saying Illuvatar is the Force itself he will not have such godly powers.

Traya, to make a fight fair, you place both sides on equal ground without completely unfair tactics. So the Valar and Eru are immortal? That is insane that means SW has no chance, and your basing it only on what happens in the LOTR Universe you cannot prove that they have the exact same power in Neutral ground, you can only substantiate that SW and LOTR have even footing, and using all that they have shown in a fight, meaning neither will be "immortal" nor "invincible."

If you specifically state it is within the LOTR Universe then SW is screwed.

SW basically has no chance, the Valar cant die, and as long as Illuvatar is omnipotent then all he has to do is wave his hand and SW is WTFpwned.

The closest thing SW has to a god is DE Sidious...Unfortunately *even* he isnt strong enough to defeat all the Valar.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
SW basically has no chance, the Valar cant die, and as long as Illuvatar is omnipotent then all he has to do is wave his hand and SW is WTFpwned.

Provide Proof, within two Universe there is 2 Dominant "Gods." In SW its The Force, and you have failed to prove why that would be inferior to Illuvatar. Whilst The Force has been shown to control everything around the Universe, the only "matter" Illuvatar controls is his own creation which is quite reasonable, you fail to show why they would be immortal and invincible within a different dimension, and that is completely your opinion.

Illuvatar has only been shown to control the Matter within Arda and Valinor and nowhere else, he did not create SW, meaning he is not the dominant power. Within SW The Force is and even Illuvatar will have to abide by it if they fight within SW.

Putting it on Neutral Ground means that Illuvatar and the Valar will have the power they demonstrated, but it does mean "ZOMG one swipe of his hand he wins. Provide proof to support what you have stated.

Note how Traya automatically put LOTR as the dominant force when we discussed the fight, that is completely unreasonable and she disregards the SW God "The Force"

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
The closest thing SW has to a god is DE Sidious...Unfortunately *even* he isnt strong enough to defeat all the Valar.

No its Marka Ragnos DE Sidious is below the Ancient Sith, Nadd, Kun and NJO/DN Luke. Even if you dont agree that is the majority's opinion and since you are outvoted for the sake of fights those rankings stand.

Originally posted by Deception
Provide Proof, within two Universe there is 2 Dominant "Gods." In SW its The Force, and you have failed to prove why that would be inferior to Illuvatar. Whilst The Force has been shown to control everything around the Universe, the only "matter" Illuvatar controls is his own creation which is quite reasonable, you fail to show why they would be immortal and invincible within a different dimension, and that is completely your opinion.

Illuvatar has only been shown to control the Matter within Arda and Valinor and nowhere else, he did not create SW, meaning he is not the dominant power. Within SW The Force is and even Illuvatar will have to abide by it if they fight within SW.

Putting it on Neutral Ground means that Illuvatar and the Valar will have the power they demonstrated, but it does mean "ZOMG one swipe of his hand he wins. Provide proof to support what you have stated.

Note how Traya automatically put LOTR as the dominant force when we discussed the fight, that is completely unreasonable and she disregards the SW God "The Force"

The force is not a sentient god-like entity, it is just a universal energy field.

You arent making sense, by limiting the Valars powers you are changing their identity which is silly.

There isnt anything to stop Illuvatar from WTFpwning SW...give it up.

Originally posted by Deception
No its Marka Ragnos DE Sidious is below the Ancient Sith, Nadd, Kun and NJO/DN Luke. Even if you dont agree that is the majority's opinion and since you are outvoted for the sake of fights those rankings stand.

You guys can disagree, I dont give a damn b*tches.

The very idea of Illuvatar is that he transcends all other life. His power is so great that there is no exact way to damage him, because he is not corporeal. The force is described more as an interaction between midocholrians and living matter than an actual omnipotent god. Star Destroyers and whatnot would mean nothing against him.

If he is truly defined as immortal and all powerful, then this spans across pretty much any context. Illuvatar, being omnipresent would also have complete knowledge of his enemy. This includes every single bit of knowledge on the force, how the force could be manipulated and how it could be "destroyed."

Really, this is quite a silly discussion, I feel like I am in grade 5 again.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
The force is not a sentient god-like entity, it is just a universal energy field.

You arent making sense, by limiting the Valars powers you are changing their identity which is silly.

There isnt anything to stop Illuvatar from WTFpwning SW...give it up.

So if the will of the Force is for Illuvatar to suddendly die, then in SW he would disappear and be gone as with the other Valar.

In terms of SW, the Valar and Illuvatar do not control its matter, you still haven't proven it, so im not the one giving up, you just have no arguments.

Say i wasn't going to limit them, in the Sense of SW, and the Force dominating, the Valar and Illuvatar can die and in the same sense disappear if the Force wills it so. So thus LOTR will not wtfpwn everything. Since its the Force that creates SW, it can be assumed that the Force gave a single entity power enough to destroy the LOTR Gods.

Originally posted by Deception
So if the will of the Force is for Illuvatar to suddendly die, then in SW he would disappear and be gone as with the other Valar.

In terms of SW, the Valar and Illuvatar do not control its matter, you still haven't proven it, so im not the one giving up, you just have no arguments.

Say i wasn't going to limit them, in the Sense of SW, and the Force dominating, the Valar and Illuvatar can die and in the same sense disappear if the Force wills it so. So thus LOTR will not wtfpwn everything. Since its the Force that creates SW, it can be assumed that the Force gave a single entity power enough to destroy the LOTR Gods.

WTH is this? Come back when you learn how to make sense.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
WTH is this? Come back when you learn how to make sense.

You need to learn to read.

I simply said that Illuvatar is not God of SW, and the Force controls everything in SW. So if the Force wants Illuvatar to die, he will die. Unless its within the LOTR Universe.

Originally posted by Deception
You need to learn to read.

I simply said that Illuvatar is not God of SW, and the Force controls everything in SW. So if the Force wants Illuvatar to die, he will die. Unless its within the LOTR Universe.

Yes I know what you said, however it isnt based on any sound logic. How do you suppose the force would 'kill' Illuvatar when the force isnt even sentient and doesnt have a will.