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Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yes I know what you said, however it isnt based on any sound logic. How do you suppose the force would 'kill' Illuvatar when the force isnt even sentient and doesnt have a will.

Technically the Force created Anakin Skywalker, if you've played Kotor then you know in SW, the Force Binds all things and every action has a consquence, so thus if the Force itself was in danger in can will something to happen, when the force was unbalanced the force willed the birth of Anakin indirectly through Plaguies or it just directly willed Anakin.

Now instead of just saying i have no logic, where is the logic in just saying that Gods of LOTR will wtfpwn everything? In saying that i could just say our God although he hasn't demonstrated much power can wtfpwn every other Universe because accordingly in created that the Universe.

On further note consider The Force "binds all things" that includes everything that resides within the Force meaning whatever is within the SW Galaxy.

Originally posted by Deception
Technically the Force created Anakin Skywalker, if you've played Kotor then you know in SW, the Force Binds all things and every action has a consquence, so thus if the Force itself was in danger in can will something to happen, when the force was unbalanced the force willed the birth of Anakin indirectly through Plaguies or it just directly willed Anakin.

Now instead of just saying i have no logic, where is the logic in just saying that Gods of LOTR will wtfpwn everything? In saying that i could just say our God although he hasn't demonstrated much power can wtfpwn every other Universe because accordingly in created that the Universe.

On further note consider The Force "binds all things" that includes everything that resides within the Force meaning whatever is within the SW Galaxy.

Okay fine if you assume the force is capable of balancing itself it still doesnt matter...

If Illuvatar actually existed, then he would literally transcend everything. He would be the one that created the SWU in the first place, and he would certainly end it if he had to. GG.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Okay fine if you assume the force is capable of balancing itself it still doesnt matter...

If Illuvatar actually existed, then he would literally transcend everything. He would be the one that created the SWU in the first place, and he would certainly end it if he had to. GG.

Now your working on "what ifs" the fact is, he didn't create SW and thus he does not have that power to control SW, i'll admit if SW enter LOTR they're screwed for sure, but likewise LOTR are not as dominant in SW so thus they lose in the SW Universe and they win in the LOTR universe.

You could just as well say, Illuvatar will make a complete Universe with everything that SW has in it, and i can just as easily say The Force grants Ragnos the same powers, when piting creators against creators it is quite pointless as they have no end result, thus its only fair of Illuvatar is not included in such a fight.

Originally posted by Deception
Now your working on "what ifs" the fact is, he didn't create SW and thus he does not have that power to control SW, i'll admit if SW enter LOTR they're screwed for sure, but likewise LOTR are not as dominant in SW so thus they lose in the SW Universe and they win in the LOTR universe.

You could just as well say, Illuvatar will make a complete Universe with everything that SW has in it, and i can just as easily say The Force grants Ragnos the same powers, when piting creators against creators it is quite pointless as they have no end result, thus its only fair of Illuvatar is not included in such a fight.

*sigh* Illuvatar is GOD, everything that exists is so because of him. If we assume he is real, then he *did* create the SWU and he has the power to destroy it at any given moment if he chooses to. This is pointless, SW faces an undefeatable foe. You fail to realize the force does not equal Illuvatar, because it is just an energy field that binds life...it isnt god in a Christian-like sense.

Er dude Illuvatar is based on the Christian God, Melkor is what Satan is, you are quite wrong, he exists soley in the LOTR World, so in answer to your question you cannot say he is god, because that is completely biased, then i can easily say Earth will pwn Lotr because our god is stated to have created the Universe.

Quite frankly its only fair to have the force on even footing with Illuvatar otherwise its extremely pointless to have LOTR vs Anyone because in your logic it means he will always win.

In other words, regarding what Traya said about a fight being dodgy if we limit the power of the Valar and Illuvatar, in not doing so, the fight because more pointless since you say Illuvatar is God.

In that case this thread is pointless and should be closed ASAP, as there is no way to argue.

No in a vs match i assume the "All Powerful of each Respective Side" has equal footing, yet in what you have said you give LOTR the biggest undefeatable advantage thus making this thread completely stupid.

No, I was disagreeing with the imbecilic concept that the Ainur can't use their powers in the SWU. Having Illuvatar on the LOTR side essentially means that SW will get WTFpwned, so I don't think we should include him, however.

Since when has the force actually displayed signs of major intervention in the galaxy? We don't see the force wiping out Sidious in the OT, we don't even see it trying to stop Traya destroying itself. It acts indirectly...

No its Marka Ragnos DE Sidious is below the Ancient Sith, Nadd, Kun and NJO/DN Luke. Even if you dont agree that is the majority's opinion and since you are outvoted for the sake of fights those rankings stand.

Maybe because he won't have the time to be able to summon a force storm in those fights? Even without them he's pretty uber.

Regardless, Sidious cooks up huge Force storms from his arse that would rip apart huge fleets. I don't see how the Valar would be immune to the divine Star Wars Force. Let's not forget Sadow does something similar but larger, although he used his ship, which would be granted in this fight.

I'm still wondring how Arda survives a Death Star blast.

Originally posted by Traya
No, I was disagreeing with the imbecilic concept that the Ainur can't use their powers in the SWU. Having Illuvatar on the LOTR side essentially means that SW will get WTFpwned, so I don't think we should include him, however.

Since when has the force actually displayed signs of major intervention in the galaxy? We don't see the force wiping out Sidious in the OT, we don't even see it trying to stop Traya destroying itself. It acts indirectly...

True it acts indirectly, however it can grant powers through another entity, as it did through Anakin. Whats the say that The Force knew that Kreia's death was inevitable, or the events were set by the Force itself. now when a Being that comes along that threatens the heart of the Force more so than anything else, the Force will not allow it to destroy to destroy the Force. Thus through Ragnos or some other Sith/Jedi they may or may not destroy Illuvatar.

If you so strongly believe Illuvatar destroys everything then here's anther question for you Traya. Christian God (Assume the Bible is correct) vs Illuvatar.

Btw I didn't say that their Powers cant be used, i stated that they cannot wtfpwn everything due to the fact their powers have not been shown to work on a galactic scale.

Originally posted by Deception
Er dude Illuvatar is based on the Christian God, Melkor is what Satan is, you are quite wrong, he exists soley in the LOTR World, so in answer to your question you cannot say he is god, because that is completely biased, then i can easily say Earth will pwn Lotr because our god is stated to have created the Universe.

Quite frankly its only fair to have the force on even footing with Illuvatar otherwise its extremely pointless to have LOTR vs Anyone because in your logic it means he will always win.

In other words, regarding what Traya said about a fight being dodgy if we limit the power of the Valar and Illuvatar, in not doing so, the fight because more pointless since you say Illuvatar is God.

In that case this thread is pointless and should be closed ASAP, as there is no way to argue.

No in a vs match i assume the "All Powerful of each Respective Side" has equal footing, yet in what you have said you give LOTR the biggest undefeatable advantage thus making this thread completely stupid.

1. Tolkien based Illuvatar off the Christian god, he says this himself, please stop wasting our time.

2. YES this thread is pointless, because unless you limit the powers of Illuvatar and the Valar(which is stupid) then they WTFpwn everyone.

3. Im simply using sound logic, LOTR *does* have an undefeatable adavantage...the end.

Originally posted by Deception
True it acts indirectly, however it can grant powers through another entity, as it did through Anakin. Whats the say that The Force knew that Kreia's death was inevitable, or the events were set by the Force itself. now when a Being that comes along that threatens the heart of the Force more so than anything else, the Force will not allow it to destroy to destroy the Force. Thus through Ragnos or some other Sith/Jedi they may or may not destroy Illuvatar.

If you so strongly believe Illuvatar destroys everything then here's anther question for you Traya. Christian God (Assume the Bible is correct) vs Illuvatar.

Btw I didn't say that their Powers cant be used, i stated that they cannot wtfpwn everything due to the fact their powers have not been shown to work on a galactic scale.

1. There has never been any hard evidence of the force being sentient, unless you can prove it up then your case is fruitless. And even if you do somehow prove it, it doesnt matter because Illuvatar is infinitely more powerful.

2. That would be a logical paradox, two omnipotent foes facing off against eachother.

3. WHY? Your fruitless claims are getting tiresome.

Your all retards for even arguign about this because we all know Frodo is a force god and would WTFpwn ever sorry ass SW person in the univere SIMULTANEOUSLY!!!!!

Not R2!!!!!!1111

Originally posted by Traya
No, I was disagreeing with the imbecilic concept that the Ainur can't use their powers in the SWU. Having Illuvatar on the LOTR side essentially means that SW will get WTFpwned, so I don't think we should include him, however.

Since when has the force actually displayed signs of major intervention in the galaxy? We don't see the force wiping out Sidious in the OT, we don't even see it trying to stop Traya destroying itself. It acts indirectly...

I would argue that EVERYTHING that happens in the SW universe is according to its will, negating the idea of free will and replacing it with an illusion. Notice that the Force seems to always strive for balance, with good maintaining the balance and evil seeking to destroy the balance. This puts the Force on a scale of less a god and more a permeating omniscient consciousness that pulls the strings of EVERYTHING in the SW universe so subtly it's not easy to even detect.

I'd just like to point that theory out, since it's one championed by your namesake.

Yeah, well if you include Artoo, it would be all too easy for Star Wars.

Yeah, just having Artoo's most casual trinkets makes one a god.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Your all retards for even arguign about this because we all know Frodo is a force god and would WTFpwn ever sorry ass SW person in the univere SIMULTANEOUSLY!!!!!
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... except for R2. Lets just say that Frodo is the R2 of Lotr.

Originally posted by Wesker
I would argue that EVERYTHING that happens in the SW universe is according to its will, negating the idea of free will and replacing it with an illusion. Notice that the Force seems to always strive for balance, with good maintaining the balance and evil seeking to destroy the balance. This puts the Force on a scale of less a god and more a permeating omniscient consciousness that pulls the strings of EVERYTHING in the SW universe so subtly it's not easy to even detect.

I'd just like to point that theory out, since it's one championed by your namesake.

Indeed.

GV read Wesker's post. He is correct.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Your all retards for even arguign about this because we all know Frodo is a force god and would WTFpwn ever sorry ass SW person in the univere SIMULTANEOUSLY!!!!!
...

... except for R2. Lets just say that Frodo is the R2 of Lotr.

No, Frodo is gay.