Respect Venom

1. he is not my favorite character he was but not anymore
2.Juggs blows should have effected him and maybe kill him but it didn't
3. it is very often showed that he recovers in seconds read some venom comics 😉
4.fire has effect on venm but it won't do him some serious damage like in sinner takes it all 2 thugs tried to kill by flushing some gasoline on him and putting him on fire then eddie just became venom and the symbiote saved him from fire
5.the toxins effected him it was "madness virsus" that made him stronger

better luck next time 😆

2.Juggs blows should have effected him and maybe kill him but it didn't

So what's the all babbling about then? I never said anything else. In the next issue it's reveleaded that the beating he took from Juggs nearly killed him. - I never said anything else, did I? Maybe you should read my posts before jumping on me.

3. it is very often showed that he recovers in seconds read some venom comics

I'm quite aware of that, I've read nearly all comics featuring Venom, and he's one of my favourite Spidey villains (After Shocker of course 😄) But would he heal in seconds from the beating he got from Juggs? I doubt it, sure he'd heal very fast, but he wasn't getting up after he was owned by Juggernaut. People tend to overrate him A LOT..

4.fire has effect on venm but it won't do him some serious damage like in sinner takes it all 2 thugs tried to kill by flushing some gasoline on him and putting him on fire then eddie just became venom and the symbiote saved him from fire

Again, read my f*king post before you jump into conclusions. I said his flame tolerance isn't what it used to be. He was owned by a freaking lighter FFS. I never said anything else.

5.the toxins effected him it was "madness virsus" that made him stronger

Better luck next time 😉

juggernaut's hits didn't hurt venom in the madness comic and he wasn't dieing that was PIS anyway this is a respect thread so please don't post anything bad about venom cause the venom fans may not like it

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
juggernaut's hits didn't hurt venom in the madness comic and he wasn't dieing that was PIS anyway this is a respect thread so please don't post anything bad about venom cause the venom fans may not like it

My orginal post didn't have anything insulting or negative about him, it's you who startted the whole thing "OMG BULLSHITzz!".. 🙄

PS, I never said that getting owned by a Juggernaut is a bad thing, I mean he was making jokes and laughing at the time. That's pretty impressive pain tolerance he shows there..

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Originally posted by Jyppe

Exactly why I said used to be
He was taken out by Spidey with a lighter some time ago (When he was stalking Sandman in the Bugle.)

Originally posted by Jyppe

Since when have Toxins been affecting Venom? He's a very twisted person, so it's not unbeliveable that he'd be joking while getting his ass handed to him. If he wasn't really affected by Juggs, why didn't he just get up and continue the fight? Care to post the part where he's in the toxins?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Seconds..? Not sure about that, but pretty fast.. IMO his healing factor is pretty much like Wolverines, he needs time to heal inbetween the blows, exactly why he was owned rather easily in this fight. (Yes, I'm quite aware that he was hearing things, but that only helped Juggs to land the first blow)

Originally posted by Jyppe

Or maybe you just don't like that I'm proving your favourite characters not to be so uber.. Hmm? Gotta love it when people jump the gun 🙄

And one last thing guys. No need to argue. This is a respect thread after all. Jyppe, I respect your opinion and just state mine. Lets keep this fine, friendly conversation.

Here, two last pages of the fight, Venom was talking to himself and asking Juggernaut if he hears this voice. And then got punched and sank.
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Yes, USED to be. Since then his resistance to fire has grown MUCH. And even BEFORE the upgrade he was set on fire many times without getting hurt.

When was the last time Venom faced fire? His clone was bombed with a nuclear bomb or with a napalm bomb, but what about other instances..? AFAICR The last time Venom was attacked via flame was when Spider-man used a ligther on him.
The only point I was making that Venom's fire resistance isn't what it used to be.

He did get up and continued the fight but then started hearing voices and he was taking attacks from Juggernaut without much effect untill he got pushed into toxins and sank. What's the point? You said Juggernaut can KO him with one punch even though he punched him ten times in the first fight and Venom was just coming back untill got distructed and pushed into toxins and punched him many times in their further fights with almost no effect.

Besides, Venom really wasn't coming back after the first few punches. He wasn't even getting up.. And, isn't he pretty much KOed in the end of their fight?

Well, it helped Juggernaut to punch him into toxins. Take punches from Spider-man, symbiote suit absorbs all the blows and Spider's attacks are useless. Juggernaut punches MANY times harder and it was taking Venom only seconds or even less to strike back after being punched.

Answer me this, was Venom nearly dead in the next issue, or not?

Yes. Venom is one of my favourite characters, but as you see I like him not to degree where i say "Venom destroys marvel universe" I'm just stating obvious things. Current Venom can't be taken down by lighter or even flame thrower, and he can take class 100 punches without getting much hurt and recovers in seconds.

First of all, that post wasn't directed at you, secondly Don't you think it's bit much to get called for BS and utter BS..? Read my orginal posts, was I wrong?

And I'm quite aware that Venom's flame tolerance USED to be on a quite high level. Explosions really didn't harm him that much, but as you can see from my last post, he hasn't had really any impressive flame feats since his return (little before the ate Carnage's symbiote) The only instance where he was still able to continue the fight was, when he took on Kraven, he was trapped in a flame circle or something. I might be wrong, but it's not because I make things up, but I'm a human after all, my memory could fail me :/

And one last thing guys. No need to argue. This is a respect thread after all. Jyppe, I respect your opinion and just state mine. Lets keep this fine, friendly conversation.

So it's all my fault, like I didn't get called for "utter BS" first..?

Originally posted by Jyppe
When was the last time Venom faced fire? His clone was bombed with a nuclear bomb or with a napalm bomb, but what about other instances..? AFAICR The last time Venom was attacked via flame was when Spider-man used a ligther on him.
The only point I was making that Venom's fire resistance isn't what it used to be.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Asnwer me this, did Venom state in the second issue that he was nearly killed by Juggernaut or not?

Originally posted by Jyppe

I never said Juggernaut could KO Venom with one punch, where are you getting that from..?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Besides, Venom really wasn't coming back after the first few punches. He wasn't even getting up.. And, isn't he pretty much KOed in the end of their fight?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Answer me this, was Venom nearly dead in the next issue, or not?

Originally posted by Jyppe

First of all, that post wasn't directed at you, secondly Don't you think it's bit much to get called for BS and utter BS..? Read my orginal posts, was I wrong?

Originally posted by Jyppe

And I'm quite aware that Venom's flame tolerance USED to be on a quite high level. Explosions really didn't harm him that much, but as you can see from my last post, he hasn't had really any impressive flame feats since his return (little before the ate Carnage's symbiote) The only instance where he was still able to continue the fight was, when he took on Kraven, he was trapped in a flame circle or something. I might be wrong, but it's not because I make things up, but I'm a human after all, my memory could fail me :/

Originally posted by Jyppe

So it's all my fault, like I didn't get called for "utter BS" first..?

So you are saying his resistance got worse? It makes no sense, and that lighter thing happened REALLY long time ago BEFORE his resistance even grown. Last time Venom faced fire was when he was hit by a gasoline truck, first explosion, then he was just standing with his shoulders burning and he wasn't even paying attention to that.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Maybe it was because Eddie's body was weakening (Even though this happened before the whole "I've got cancer"- thing. ) Maybe his fire tolerance was slow because the Symbiote had been away from the host some time. And, yes I remember that thing, but I didn't really mean Scorpio-Venom as I don't really count him as Venom. I hope someone better gets the symbiote.. I meant, Eddie venom.. Sorry, I should have said that in my first post.

No he didn't at least i don't remember that and i can't find it in the book and i'm holding it right in front of me.

People at the Superhero chat say he was, people at some random Juggernaut site said he was.. This means I gotta get that comic somehow.. D/L here I come!

Not at all, and he was getting up. First Juggernaut punched him through the wall into parked taxi, in the next pannel Venom is standiong and then jumping at him and punching. Then Juggernaut knocked him though the ground and started beating him, Venom again instanly got up and jumped at the Juggernaut, then Juggs punched him once and venom was only talking to himself and after punch Juggernaut instantly steped on him not to allow him stand back and punched into toxins. After each attack Venom was coming back, same in the further fights. He never stayed on the ground longer than few seconds.

Maybe I remember it wrong, but Venom was atleast slowed down as Juggernaut was able to get clear shots at him. And in the end it looked like he was knocked out.. Well, let's get back to this when I get the comic book in my hands.

Sorry for the doulbe post but let's recap the first fight.

1. First hit, Juggernaut punches Venom, Venom is flying away
2. Second shot, next panel: Juggernaut kicks him (Does not show wether he was standing while he got the shot or not)
3. Third shot, Juggernaut bodyslams him through the wall (Again, no evidences wether he was on the ground or not)
4. Venom hits a car pretty damm hard, notice that he's holding his head in his hands, that must've hurt quite a bit.
5.Venom recovers quite fast and lunges at Juggernaut (Or juggernaut was just that close to him at the time.) Venom hits him 3 times, his hits don't seem to have any effect on juggernaut
6. Juggernaut casually uppercuts him away. Then he smacks him away with the pilar. Then he smacks him while he's down.
7. They fall through the floor, Juggernaut hammer's Venom's head with both of his fists. Venom attacks him again, but Juggernaut is too fast for him (WTF?)
8. Juggernaut does a huge uppercut and hit's Venom knocking him down. In the next panel, he's shown to be dizzy.
9. Juggernaut steps on him, while he's down.
10. Last blow knocks him into the pit, he's not saying anything so we can assume he's knocked out.

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Ah the seconds issue, the stuff he's in says "I Think It's Dead" and the other one says "It's been Hurt, it is weak, It needs us" Then the third one "It Wants to save this man inside it's skin, We'll help "

Now, does that ring a bell? Eddie Brock was apparently very much dead/dying.

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Then on the page 10 Commentary says "He relives his battle the day before with the juggernaut. He took a pounding and he remembers the suit weakening It's very substance being stretched to a pulverizing limit" Then it mentions that he let a third being enter his body, healing his wounded body.

Btw, Did venom beat Juggernaut with his own power at all? He still had the mercury virus in the third fight..

Originally posted by Jyppe
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Maybe it was because Eddie's body was weakening (Even though this happened before the whole "I've got cancer"- thing. ) Maybe his fire tolerance was slow because the Symbiote had been away from the host some time. And, yes I remember that thing, but I didn't really mean Scorpio-Venom as I don't really count him as Venom. I hope someone better gets the symbiote.. I meant, Eddie venom.. Sorry, I should have said that in my first post.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Sorry for the doulbe post but let's recap the first fight.

1. First hit, Juggernaut punches Venom, Venom is flying away
2. Second shot, next panel: Juggernaut kicks him (Does not show wether he was standing while he got the shot or not)
3. Third shot, Juggernaut bodyslams him through the wall (Again, no evidences wether he was on the ground or not)
4. Venom hits a car pretty damm hard, notice that he's holding his head in his hands, that must've hurt quite a bit.
5.Venom recovers quite fast and lunges at Juggernaut (Or juggernaut was just that close to him at the time.) Venom hits him 3 times, his hits don't seem to have any effect on juggernaut
6. Juggernaut casually uppercuts him away. Then he smacks him away with the pilar. Then he smacks him while he's down.
7. They fall through the floor, Juggernaut hammer's Venom's head with both of his fists. Venom attacks him again, but Juggernaut is too fast for him (WTF?)
8. Juggernaut does a huge uppercut and hit's Venom knocking him down. In the next panel, he's shown to be dizzy.
9. Juggernaut steps on him, while he's down.
10. Last blow knocks him into the pit, he's not saying anything so we can assume he's knocked out.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Ah the seconds issue, the stuff he's in says "I Think It's Dead" and the other one says "It's been Hurt, it is weak, It needs us" Then the third one "It Wants to save this man inside it's skin, We'll help "

Now, does that ring a bell? Eddie Brock was apparently very much dead/dying.

Then on the page 10 Commentary says "He relives his battle the day before with the juggernaut. He took a pounding and he remembers the suit weakening It's very substance being stretched to a pulverizing limit" Then it mentions that he let a third being enter his body, healing his wounded body.

There are many proofs in books that when Eddie merges with symbiote they become one, and Wolverine's claws through the chest is one of them. Otherwise Brock would've been killed when claws punctured the symbiote. Now what is symbiote, it sticky almost liquid substence and when Brock merges with it he becomes a part of it. And beating Venom is almost the same as beating symbiote itself. It would get deformed but then would just recover fast, and that's what Venom was doing for many times. Even after punches from Hulk. I never denied Venom was hurt from the fight but there are two factors. It's hard to say what hurt him more, Juggernaut's blows (seeing how he was recovering from them pretty quickly) or toxins he fell in. Or may be he was hurt from both. Firsat he was weakend by Juggernaut's blows and then he fell into toxins that may even burnt him and he had no time to recover before these two factors.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Btw, Did venom beat Juggernaut with his own power at all? He still had the mercury virus in the third fight..

I don't think that host influence symbiote's resistance to fire or sonic, after all it's symbiote's weakness, not host's. Besides i don't see any reason why his resistance that has grown suddenly decreased, take Carnage for example, after he developed resistance to sonics it never changed since then.

They live in a symbiosis, it's very plausible. Host weakens, the symbiote weakens. Remember, Eddie Venom's fireresistance didn't grow, or at least he didn't have any feats. So it's entirely plausible that the fire tolerance depends on the fitness level of the host.

Well, not saying anything while somebody punches you in the face doesn't automatically mean you are koed. And as for being dizzy, we see Juggernaut dizzy from Venom's punches in the third issue, but it doesn't mean he was hurt or koed (ecpecially since it is not possible at all) And look, Venom never stayed on the ground longer than for a few seconds even after Juggernaut's most powerfull blows. Few seconds were enough for him to fully recover and he was always instantly striking back unless Juggernaut was performing comboes or hitting him while he is already on the ground. And he was even talking when Juggernaut squeesed his head, the guy who he can lift a building did that and Venom was only warried about some voice.

I never said that the dizzyness implied that he was knocked out, but that the last blow did. Apparently nearly killing Eddie and severally weakening the symbiote.

There are many proofs in books that when Eddie merges with symbiote they become one,

Wolverine's claws through the chest is one of them.

When did this happen? And besides, Namor took it easily..

Now what is symbiote, it sticky almost liquid substence and when Brock merges with it he becomes a part of it.

Not really, he's always been shown to be just a man inside that suit.

I never denied Venom was hurt from the fight but there are two factors. It's hard to say what hurt him more, Juggernaut's blows (seeing how he was recovering from them pretty quickly) or toxins he fell in. Or may be he was hurt from both. Firsat he was weakend by Juggernaut's blows and then he fell into toxins that may even burnt him and he had no time to recover before these two factors.

They never say anything about the toxins, and when has Venom become weakened against poisons/toxins? It was the beating he got that nearly killed him and the symbiote. "He relives his battle the day before with the juggernaut. He took a pounding and he remembers the suit weakening It's very substance being stretched to a pulverizing limit"

You don't still belive that it was the beating he took from Juggernaut that nearly killed him.. Hmm? And, it's pretty reasonable that he was knocked out by the last blow, as he wakes up a lot later in the toxin..

Well, first of all it's never been said that virus made him stronger

Yet, everything suggest it's. And that virus did heal his body in the second issue, and it did grant him some new powers.

And it doesn't matter since in the beginning of the third issue he got rid of the virus

No he didn't. He said it was weakening and startting to die. And in the end of the third issue he abandones the virus.

during the fight with Juggs he says "we're sane again" and there's only two of us now".

That doesn't mean he didn't have any extra power left. He still had the virus in his system during the third fight, but now he was controlling it.

And take this fight for example

He was hit once.. So? He had plenty of time to heal.

Originally posted by Jyppe
They live in a symbiosis, it's very plausible. Host weakens, the symbiote weakens. Remember, Eddie Venom's fireresistance didn't grow, or at least he didn't have any feats. So it's entirely plausible that the fire tolerance depends on the fitness level of the host.

Originally posted by Jyppe

I never said that the dizzyness implied that he was knocked out, but that the last blow did. Apparently nearly killing Eddie and severally weakening the symbiote.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Not really, this happened in the planet of symbiotes arc.. Which was after this arc (?) And yet they don't become a "one" They still live in a symbiosis, but their bond is lot stronger than before. Hence the "we".

When did this happen? And besides, Namor took it easily..

Not really, he's always been shown to be just a man inside that suit.

Originally posted by Jyppe

They never say anything about the toxins, and when has Venom become weakened against poisons/toxins? It was the beating he got that nearly killed him and the symbiote. [b] "He relives his battle the day before with the juggernaut. He took a pounding and he remembers the suit weakening It's very substance being stretched to a pulverizing limit"

You don't still belive that it was the beating he took from Juggernaut that nearly killed him.. Hmm? And, it's pretty reasonable that he was knocked out by the last blow, as he wakes up a lot later in the toxin..
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Originally posted by Jyppe

Yet, everything suggest it's. And that virus did heal his body in the second issue, and it did grant him some new powers.

Originally posted by Jyppe

No he didn't. He said it was weakening and startting to die. And in the end of the third issue he abandones the virus.

Originally posted by Jyppe

That doesn't mean he didn't have any extra power left. He still had the virus in his system during the third fight, but now he was controlling it.

Originally posted by Jyppe

He was hit once.. So? He had plenty of time to heal.

Originally posted by Sam Z
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If Juggernaut can knock Colossus out with one punch he can do it to Venom as well. Venom is smart enough not to take a blow like Colossus did, he is much faster and more agile.

For the record Spiderman is my first favorite character followed by Venom then Juggernaut. I have almost every comic with Venom(Eddie) in it. You guys are right about him beating torch down though. I was also wrong about the gun fire thing, it had been awhile since I read it.

Venom has also taken a fuel truck to the face and afterwards continued to fight with flames still on him. It was as if the flames were not there. So he may have a very very high tolerance to fire now. That was when he possessed the mob bosses kid.

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Eddie Venom rsistance did grow, and it's obvious when you compare his appearance in savage alliance and in sinner takes all. And btw i just remembered another feat, and it was one of the latest eddie venom appearance. Venom was fighting his clone and nick fury fired a missile. There were huge explosion and fire everywhere. Brock simply got out from there and webbed Fury up. Here's another proof that his fire resistance hasn't decreased. And it doesn't matter if they live in symbiosis. It's symbiote that has weakness to fire, not Eddie. So there is no point to think that it suddenly decreased.

Hmm, that one proves my point wrong then.. Maybe it was stupid writing, or the symbiote hadn't got used to the host body at the time.. Scans?

Btw, You think the host has nothing to do with the vulnereability to fire..? Tell me this, where does the symbiote get it's strength? From the host, from the hate that the host produces. Weaker host, all of the symbiote's stats would be weakened. It's the very base of symbiosis. If the host has lot's of adrealine/what ever, the symbiote is more powerfull, and is more resistant to everything..

Not more than previous blows, he was on the ground and was hurt but it doesn't mean he wouldn't have healed in few seconds as before.

Your evidences? Healing factors can be burned out.

I'm not talking about the planet of symbiotes. If you take Wolverine's example then it happened in "tooth and claw" and in fight with venom clone. Wolverine actually cut off clone's arm but host inside was not hurt. It pretty much proves they DO become one. Otherwise host's hand would've been missing. And Namor is a different story. Brock is just a human and still he never had any injures

There are no evidences of that. Maybe the symbiote is able to create some kind of extra dimensional pocket, like it did when Parker hid his camera in the suit.. Take a look at Carnage Unleashed's cover. It shows Carnage ripping Venom's symbiote off, showing a human host underneath it. What about all of the times when Venom has been blasted with sound waves? What about the time Venom has to remove a bomb from his chest? If he was complitely black goo, he wouldn't have that problem.

And there was no reason to believe that 10 punches before had no effect on Venom and two after that suddenly KOed him

Well, maybe those punches did have effect on the Symbiote's durabilit and healing factor. He was able to cope with the early shit, but his healing factor got taxed out and he wasn't able to protect the host inside. That's the logical assumption.
Or maybe the artist was shitty and didn't know that he had to draw Venom suffering..

So symbiote being weakend by Juggernaut blows and then pushed into toxins that probably burnt him was the reason Eddie was close to death. And don't forget that Venom can breath underwater and while symbiote is weak he probably can't protect host well and Eddie was simply drowning. And by "pounding" they didn't necessary mean Juggernaut's attack but all fight together and it includes being knocked into toxins.

There are no onscreen evidences to support that. Man you're startting to sound desperate, do you even belive what you type? Pounding does mean he was mashed to death. There are no on screenevidences that the toxin hurt Venom. ASK Anyone on this forum that pounding doesn't mean the fight all together.. Venom was knocked unconcius the seoncd he connected with Juggernaut's punch. He doesn't even move in the pit as he's descenting. If he was concious, wouldn't he try to get back to the surface? And the symbiote is known to take control of unconcious/sleeping people.

Besides, Eddie mentions the pit in a different section, so that the pounding doesn't mean his fall in the pit, as he tells about that later on.

Your argument is pretty weak here, I can show you plenty of evidences that the hammering he got from Juggernaut, nearly killed him, but you don't have anything to back your point up. Show me when the symbiote was burning because of the toxins?

Only extra "useless" arms. Nothing really suggests he became stronger, it never been said in the books neither Venom ever said he became stronger. Virus simply saved him from drawing and getting burnt

Maybe you should read the comic again, as you're not very familir with it. Venom, does learn a new "power" when he's in the different reality.. He reforms his hand into spikes and slashes this thing.. And even that fact that he was able to match someone like Juggernaut's strength with his own.. It's commonly belived that his strength was amped.

He simply returned liquid at the place it originally was and clearly says that virus is not effecting him anymore.

No, he said that the virus is startting to die, he beat it. So he got it undercontrol.

Few seconds. And i still say that after every Juggernaut's blow after few seconds of staying on the ground he was coming back strong and fresh as before. So why should it matter for symbiote how many times somebody pushes it around. It will simply reform and recover. But it also depends on how powerfull attacks are. Spider-man's class 15 blows were useless, Juggernauts were sending him flying back but it was taking him for few seconds longer to heal, same in fight with Hulk.

Yes, because he was only hit once in the Hulk fight. It might take only couple of seconds to heal from the first blow, but this taxes his healing factor. More blows, and his healing factor is weakened. Some more and it's really not working. That's how I'd see it.

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Maybe I should scan the entire issue for you guys? All three of them. Or at least the important parts.

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The first one is wrong b/c of the under scores. The 2nd 1 does not have the ending url thing behind the JPG as seen above when I took out the first url.

The pic is Venom after he had taken the Carnage Symbiot from Casady. He is sitting on a ledge with a notebook. On the notebook it has a "to do list." It says things like kill landlord, take symbiot back from Carnage and, of course, Kill Spider-man.

Sorry for all the trouble, I just think it is one of the coolest pics of Venom.

Originally posted by Sam Z
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The first one is wrong b/c of the under scores. The 2nd 1 does not have the ending url thing behind the JPG as seen above when I took out the first url.

The pic is Venom after he had taken the Carnage Symbiot from Casady. He is sitting on a ledge with a notebook. On the notebook it has a "to do list." It says things like kill landlord, take symbiot back from Carnage and, of course, Kill Spider-man.

Sorry for all the trouble, I just think it is one of the coolest pics of Venom.

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I uploaded the pic along with some others to my photobucket account try this one.

Sam, or anyone else, I am still having troubles interpretating that scan at the end of Planet Symbiotes where Brock is merged with Venom as one. It said no true Eddie Brock or no true symbiote. So from my point of view, after that complete merge, Brock shouldn't be killed by weapons other than sonics/fire because he is the symbiote himself, right?

Originally posted by Jyppe
Hmm, that one proves my point wrong then.. Maybe it was stupid writing, or the symbiote hadn't got used to the host body at the time.. Scans?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Btw, You think the host has nothing to do with the vulnereability to fire..? Tell me this, where does the symbiote get it's strength? From the host, from the hate that the host produces. Weaker host, all of the symbiote's stats would be weakened. It's the very base of symbiosis. If the host has lot's of adrealine/what ever, the symbiote is more powerfull, and is more resistant to everything..

Originally posted by Jyppe

Your evidences? Healing factors can be burned out.

There are no evidences of that. Maybe the symbiote is able to create some kind of extra dimensional pocket, like it did when Parker hid his camera in the suit.. Take a look at Carnage Unleashed's cover. It shows Carnage ripping Venom's symbiote off, showing a human host underneath it. What about all of the times when Venom has been blasted with sound waves? What about the time Venom has to remove a bomb from his chest? If he was complitely black goo, he wouldn't have that problem.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Well, maybe those punches did have effect on the Symbiote's durabilit and healing factor. He was able to cope with the early shit, but his healing factor got taxed out and he wasn't able to protect the host inside. That's the logical assumption.
Or maybe the artist was shitty and didn't know that he had to draw Venom suffering..

There are no onscreen evidences to support that. Man you're startting to sound desperate, do you even belive what you type? Pounding does mean he was mashed to death. There are no on screenevidences that the toxin hurt Venom. ASK Anyone on this forum that pounding doesn't mean the fight all together.. Venom was knocked unconcius the seoncd he connected with Juggernaut's punch. He doesn't even move in the pit as he's descenting. If he was concious, wouldn't he try to get back to the surface? And the symbiote is known to take control of unconcious/sleeping people.

Besides, Eddie mentions the pit in a different section, so that the pounding doesn't mean his fall in the pit, as he tells about that later on.

Your argument is pretty weak here, I can show you plenty of evidences that the hammering he got from Juggernaut, nearly killed him, but you don't have anything to back your point up. Show me when the symbiote was burning because of the toxins?

Originally posted by Jyppe

Maybe you should read the comic again, as you're not very familir with it. Venom, does learn a new "power" when he's in the different reality.. He reforms his hand into spikes and slashes this thing.. And even that fact that he was able to match someone like Juggernaut's strength with his own.. It's commonly belived that his strength was amped.

Originally posted by Jyppe

No, he said that the virus is startting to die, he beat it. So he got it undercontrol.

Originally posted by Jyppe

Maybe I should scan the entire issue for you guys? All three of them. Or at least the important parts.