And hence is the innate problem with these messages boards. In every encounter, Thor has proven to be Strange's superior. Most Asgardians have proven to be Strange's superior. If you were to go into the comicbook world and ask Strange if he can beat Thor, Strange would look at you like you're crazy and say, "He's an Asgardian god...of course not".
BUT...
If you mix and match his various feats, taking his highest showings, disgarding his lowest showings, then you create this new Strange. A Strange with auto-shields up at all times, a Strange that, if knocked out, immediately returns via the Astral Plane, a Strange that can transmute anything, teleport anything anywhere, summon the power of the most potent beings in the multiverse, and if he fails, can just go back in time and try again until he succeeds.
In short, a Strange that doesn't really exist.
But you can't dispute any of it because he HAS done all of these things. Maybe 10 years apart in a one off battle that he's never done since, but he's done them, and it's therefore canon. And that makes a very beatable comic Strange a totally invincible KMC Strange.
Almost unfair, really. Because there will NEVER be a comic where Strange beats Thor, but there will NEVER a board battle where Thor beats Strange.
And that's a problem.
Originally posted by demigawdGood post. Some common sense needs to be applied when debating for/against Strange in a battle, people act like its impossible to even hit him which is of course nonsense.
And hence is the innate problem with these messages boards. In every encounter, Thor has proven to be Strange's superior. Most Asgardians have proven to be Strange's superior. If you were to go into the comicbook world and ask Strange if he can beat Thor, Strange would look at you like you're crazy and say, "He's an Asgardian god...of course not".BUT...
If you mix and match his various feats, taking his highest showings, disgarding his lowest showings, then you create this new Strange. A Strange with auto-shields up at all times, a Strange that, if knocked out, immediately returns via the Astral Plane, a Strange that can transmute anything, teleport anything anywhere, summon the power of the most potent beings in the multiverse, and if he fails, can just go back in time and try again until he succeeds.
In short, a Strange that doesn't really exist.
But you can't dispute any of it because he HAS done all of these things. Maybe 10 years apart in a one off battle that he's never done since, but he's done them, and it's therefore canon. And that makes a very beatable comic Strange a totally invincible KMC Strange.
Almost unfair, really. Because there will NEVER be a comic where Strange beats Thor, but there will NEVER a board battle where Thor beats Strange.
And that's a problem.
Originally posted by leonidas
well . . .thor has been shown to be able to absorb pretty much any sort of energy. standard bolts of bedevilment wouldn't do anything against him. strange's shields have been prone to tiring (as strange himself does) in the past, so continually hammering them would be a direct method to attack him.
lp is right in one regard -- thor may be susceptible to astral/or tp attack (he has had some poor showings in this area) but he's also had some very good ones and been able to fight off said influences. strange once used the eye to peer into thor's psyche and was shocked by the power of 'an immortal soul in torment' so i'd say it's not a given strange jumps in his head and take control. wherever strange zaps him, thor could come back from. as far as the bands -- a godblast may well tire strange out to the point where his concentration is hard to maintain (namor broke them while strange was not focused) -- again strange has been shown to be prone to being tired -- thor . . . not so much . . .
and no, strange is NOT beyond all rules, as lp (or quesada) says -- he DOES get beaten and he is NOT all powerful. and no he wouldn't turn him into a table! 🙄
and bloodlust thor could also be seen to be warrior mad thor, and strange appeared to be ineffectual against him -- along with almost everyone else below thanos. 100's of lightning bolts to keep his attention, overwhelming force and godforce blasts to tire him and his shields.
thor is more than capable of winning this fight, though strange would certainly be able to take a few as well.
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Originally posted by demigawd
And hence is the innate problem with these messages boards. In every encounter, Thor has proven to be Strange's superior. Most Asgardians have proven to be Strange's superior. If you were to go into the comicbook world and ask Strange if he can beat Thor, Strange would look at you like you're crazy and say, "He's an Asgardian god...of course not".BUT...
If you mix and match his various feats, taking his highest showings, disgarding his lowest showings, then you create this new Strange. A Strange with auto-shields up at all times, a Strange that, if knocked out, immediately returns via the Astral Plane, a Strange that can transmute anything, teleport anything anywhere, summon the power of the most potent beings in the multiverse, and if he fails, can just go back in time and try again until he succeeds.
In short, a Strange that doesn't really exist.
But you can't dispute any of it because he HAS done all of these things. Maybe 10 years apart in a one off battle that he's never done since, but he's done them, and it's therefore canon. And that makes a very beatable comic Strange a totally invincible KMC Strange.
Almost unfair, really. Because there will NEVER be a comic where Strange beats Thor, but there will NEVER a board battle where Thor beats Strange.
And that's a problem.
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why the JLA rule this forum . . .
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Originally posted by demigawd
And hence is the innate problem with these messages boards. In every encounter, Thor has proven to be Strange's superior. Most Asgardians have proven to be Strange's superior. If you were to go into the comicbook world and ask Strange if he can beat Thor, Strange would look at you like you're crazy and say, "He's an Asgardian god...of course not".BUT...
If you mix and match his various feats, taking his highest showings, disgarding his lowest showings, then you create this new Strange. A Strange with auto-shields up at all times, a Strange that, if knocked out, immediately returns via the Astral Plane, a Strange that can transmute anything, teleport anything anywhere, summon the power of the most potent beings in the multiverse, and if he fails, can just go back in time and try again until he succeeds.
In short, a Strange that doesn't really exist.
But you can't dispute any of it because he HAS done all of these things. Maybe 10 years apart in a one off battle that he's never done since, but he's done them, and it's therefore canon. And that makes a very beatable comic Strange a totally invincible KMC Strange.
Almost unfair, really. Because there will NEVER be a comic where Strange beats Thor, but there will NEVER a board battle where Thor beats Strange.
And that's a problem.
Originally posted by h1a8
great post
but in these forums most people assume that they are both characters at the same time and in which they battle themselves. Many if not all then make a honest decision based on previous feats and actual power descriptions. That is why many say strange would win. But writers of these comics don't use the same technique. They simply either write for the more popular character or in such a way to sell the most comics. That is why you see many inconsistencies in the comics (like venom handling superman, rhino handling hulk, etc.)
i've had this discussion in other threads with strange -- and other characters actually -- when you discuss them on these forums, you can't use ONLY high showings, NOR only low showings. you need to determine what is the most consistent and realistic version of the character. opinions vary on what is 'most consistent', hence the debating (which is sometimes great, sometimes, less than!) the most 'consistently real' strange is NOT one that transmutes mjollnir into a flower or thor into a table. if this were true, or it were that easy for him, he'd simply give thanos over to satan, or make HIM a table, or have changed the executioner's axe into a daisy. contrary to what you said earlier, i am neither a fanboy, nor lacking knowledge of either character -- i've extensive collections of BOTH. based on the times they have been together, and based on consistent showings by both, i say this is quite close. both are capable of winning, but without prep i give a slight edge to thor.
Originally posted by leonidas
i've had this discussion in other threads with strange -- and other characters actually -- when you discuss them on these forums, you can't use ONLY high showings, NOR only low showings. you need to determine what is the most consistent and realistic version of the character. opinions vary on what is 'most consistent', hence the debating (which is sometimes great, sometimes, less than!) the most 'consistently real' strange is NOT one that transmutes mjollnir into a flower or thor into a table. if this were true, or it were that easy for him, he'd simply give thanos over to satan, or make HIM a table, or have changed the executioner's axe into a daisy. contrary to what you said earlier, i am neither a fanboy, nor lacking knowledge of either character -- i've extensive collections of BOTH. based on the times they have been together, and based on consistent showings by both, i say this is quite close. both are capable of winning, but without prep i give a slight edge to thor.
so in other words you are saying that strange wouldn't transmute thor if they battled.
second, people use high showings because it shows to what extent that character is capable of. Hence it is not impossible for these characters to do these things. We are not arguing "If they made a comic of strange vs. thor then who would win?". We are arguing based on what both can do then who would win. And the answer is strange by a longshot.