Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: ROUND 2, Fight 1- illadelph12 vs. Blair Wind

Originally posted by Blair Wind
eh, its not even moving shes holding it up. All Im showing by that is that she CAN move much more dense things. Terra was much more specialized in earth movement than Crystal is. The picture however does show that she can control dense earth. And if you look at her bio, it does state that she can mix the elements. It really just mixing wind and earth. (even though the wind makes a sandstorm, and the earth is REALLY hot)

It wouldn't work.

Moving the lava through the air that quickly would cool it, and you still haven't shown her to be able to do anything to the degree you are arguing.

You showed her being a human Ionic Breeze Air Filter.

You showed her telekinetically lifting rock in the air the size of a city, which, by the way, is beyond both the lifting limit (100 tons) and ability limit, as telekinesis was banned (illegal).

And you still haven't shown her to be able to create a "lava storm".

Dude lava is molten ROCK. She controls ROCK. I dont need a scan to tell you that she can create a lava storm. Your asking for proof of powers you already know. And I only got that scan recently (sorta like Dr. Light was found to have abilities that would make him illegal but he's still ok [Ie Teleporting]), Im not going to argue that she can lift a city, but the fact remains that she can lift dense objects (like molten rock)

moving that quickly would cool it? thats why when a volcanoe erupts its still hot as hell? 🙄

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Dude lava is molten ROCK. She controls ROCK. I dont need a scan to tell you that she can create a lava storm. Your asking for proof of powers you already know. And I only got that scan recently (sorta like Dr. Light was found to have abilities that would make him illegal but he's still ok [Ie Teleporting]), Im not going to argue that she can lift a city, but the fact remains that she can lift dense objects (like molten rock)

moving that quickly would cool it? thats why when a volcanoe erupts its still hot as hell? 🙄

The chunks of rock that fly out from the initial eruption are hot, and the slow moving lava is hot, but moving hot lava quickly through cooler air would cool it down, and KK and Monolith can both fly at mach speeds. Not only could I out run your attacks, but hurling lava all over the battlefiled is going to hit your own team.

Also, only one of your Crystal's is skilled enough to pull off any real type of offense. The Dupes of Crystal have 1 hour of partial training and no combat exerience (experience and skill of copied abilities is outlawed, and your Dupes are new to this battle, they aren't the same 100's of Dupes you had last round, and you're trying to use a completely different tactic this time around than last round, so they have no skil in doing it).

Once KK gets in close quarters with your team, it's lights out. Given that he's faster and more skilled than anyone on your team, and could down them all with a single strike to a pressure point, it's not even a question.

Once DB Prime is down, the rest of your team are cupcakes. Monolith can overwhelm Crystal, or KK could simply take her out while she's generating her 'sand storm' and can't keep track of him moving at high speeds. KK could down DB Prime and Powerhouse quickly. The Wendigos are worthless because they're more likely to be trying to eat their own team than mine (since you've cut them off from my team by hurling lava around, so YOUR team is the closest meal), and I can move faster than you can attack.

And you still haven't shown that Duplicate Boy can take on physical characteristics and not just powers. He can't copy genetics, he can only copy super powers. He wouldn't be able to copy Angel's wings, he wouldn't be able to copy Wolverine's claws, he wouldn't be able to copy Beast's body or blue fur, and he wouldn't be able to copy Toad's legs.

I'm sorry, but lifting a city is too much man. 👇

Originally posted by illadelph12
The chunks of rock that fly out from the initial eruption are hot, and the slow moving lava is hot, but moving hot lava quickly through cooler air would cool it down, and KK and Monolith can both fly at mach speeds. Not only could I out run your attacks, but hurling lava all over the battlefiled is going to hit your own team.

----not if I throw it in your direction

Also, only one of your Crystal's is skilled enough to pull off any real type of offense. The Dupes of Crystal have 1 hour of partial training and no combat exerience (experience and skill of copied abilities is outlawed, and your Dupes are new to this battle, they aren't the same 100's of Dupes you had last round, and you're trying to use a completely different tactic this time around than last round, so they have no skil in doing it).

---One of my Crystals (DB) could be controlling the wind (since DB already has battle experiance with that) While Crystal throws lava at your team like a bat outa hell (or a volcanic eruption). And if the original DB already used the power in the last battle then its all good, he has the knowledge of how to use it. Also with my grav fields through Powerhouse I could just make everything lighter. Lava would be easier to throw around.

Once KK gets in close quarters with your team, it's lights out. Given that he's faster and more skilled than anyone on your team, and could down them all with a single strike to a pressure point, it's not even a question.

----wont get there, see above

Once DB Prime is down, the rest of your team are cupcakes. KK could simply take her out while she's generating her 'sand storm' and can't keep track of him moving at high speeds. KK could down DB Prime and Powerhouse quickly.

------ DB Prime is still hiding, and theres the little fact that KK has been burned away. Theres also the fact that crystal can create a forcfield around herself, so if KK hits it, it might break, but it gives me the few split seconds I need to spring up a lava spring on his ass.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Terra was mainly banned because she has created rock constructs that physically overpowered Superboy. The "TK" factor of moving rocks isn't really a big one for me, since it's pretty limited in terms of versatility, which is a BIG bonus of real TK. Crystal hasn't shown the ability to make rock soldiers, and so is perfectly acceptable.

what he said, anyways Im not argueing (and will not agrue) that she can lift a city, I got that after the drafts were already set. Im just stating that she can lift denser objects than cigg smoke

The new Dupes this round are just that: new dupes.

They don't have any combat experience or experience in the use of the powers they copy. The 100s of Dupes from last round disappeared after the battle. You start out with your 4 teammates and dupe from that up to 6 Wendigos and 5 functional Dupe Boys (since DB Prime has to copy Multiple Man to make copies of himself). The new dupes have 1 hour of training and no combat experience. 👇

cept for the fact that DB Prime has the battle experience, and since MMs ability lets him know everything that he has already known when he splits, well my Dupes would have the same knowledge that DB Prime does

Originally posted by Dizzle
Terra was mainly banned because she has created rock constructs that physically overpowered Superboy. The "TK" factor of moving rocks isn't really a big one for me, since it's pretty limited in terms of versatility, which is a BIG bonus of real TK. Crystal hasn't shown the ability to make rock soldiers, and so is perfectly acceptable.

So the fact that she could lift and drop a city's worth of rock on an opponent, which is far greater than 100 tons, isn't a factor?

one I wouldnt do that, two the same thing happened with Dr Light he has abilities that are now illegal, but since the drafter didnt know about them its ok, so long as those abilities arnt used.

However it does prove the fact that I can move much more dense objects.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
cept for the fact that DB Prime has the battle experience, and since MMs ability lets him know everything that he has already known when he splits, well my Dupes would have the same knowledge that DB Prime does

DB Prime didn't personally use the powers, and it was stated in the tournament rules that characters with copying abilities do not gain knowledge of powers copied. The only powers DB Prime knows how to use is Multiple Man's powers to duplicate himself. Other than that, he has no acquired powers or skills.

Originally posted by illadelph12
DB Prime didn't personally use the powers, and it was stated in the tournament rules that characters with copying abilities do not gain knowledge of powers copied. The only powers DB Prime knows how to use is Multiple Man's powers to duplicate himself. Other than that, he has no acquired powers or skills.

❌ DB Prime used both Crystals and Powerhouses powers during prep of my first match. He also used it a little bit during the fight before he copied Wendigo

Originally posted by Blair Wind
❌ DB Prime used both Crystals and Powerhouses powers during prep of my first match. He also used it a little bit during the fight before he copied Wendigo

Yeah, and then he used Multiple Man, meaning he cleared his slate. His Dupes don't retain his knowledge when they copy. Skill and experience can't be copied per tournament rules.

This is a new round, meaning he has to re-copy the powers, and since his Dupes have no knowledge of the powers, it means they have no skill.

Meaning the Dupes only have one hour of training and no combat experience, and DB Prime only has Multiple Man's powers and experience in using that.

Nope. All dupes of him have HIS same knowledge. That means he dupes them and they have all the knowledge he does.

Skill and experience cant be copied per tournament rules applies to say mimic copying iceman and knowing how to use his powers, not through DB prime sharing his knowledge with his dupes. Every time MM makes a dupe they have the same knowledge that he does.

With my Crystals creating winds to disorient your characters and lava springs to hurt them you cant really get to me.

Crystal has a forcfield up (so if KK bumrushes me he might break it, but by then I can bath him in lava), two of my Duplicate Boys turn to Monoliths, my two Powerhouses have grav fields up, making everything much lighter. That means the lava is easier to work with. My powerhouses can also fly at mach speeds and absorb any energy your Monolith throws at my team.

KK at least is out of the fight molten rock is too much for him too handle plus sand that reduces his visibilty and the noise levels of winds are great so even his super senses are no help.

That leaves Monolith and with no agility with the speed he was given he tries to tangle with my two monoliths, add some Zero G punches at mach speeds and he should be dealt with.

If i see the word "inhibitor" again i'm voting against whoever said it

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Yeah right.

First of all, we're not miles apart. KK and Monolith can both be on your position in no time at all. Once Monolith arrives, he can perform a thunder clap and disable your whole squad out the gate. KK just needs to assassinate DB Prime (which will be extremely easy to do since he has no offensive or defensivee abilities), and once he's dead, all your Monolith, Crystal, and Powerhouse clones are gone.

From then on it's a massacre.

Monolith can over whelm Crystal with his superior flight speed, he could just tackle her and crush her under his mass. His reflexes are fast enough to catch Angel in midflight, smack Thor like a *****, and catch Spiderman in his barehand and toss him away like a piece of trash, so his hand eye coordination is not lacking.

KK can make short work of Powerhouse; he can't land a shot on him with Kk's superior reflexes, speed, agility, and combat awareness, and all he needs is one punch and it's game over for Alex.

The Wendigos are easily dealt with. You're spweing lava all over the place and you don't have pinpoint accuracy, and you definitely aren't marking targets that are moving through the air at mach speeds with lava spouts that have to come forth from the groud and travel slowly. if you haven't killed the Wendigos yourself, you've scared the living shit out of them and they're retreating. Animals don't run towards volcanic activity. My sister's cat breaks a half hour before an earthquake even hits.

Dead, dead, and more dead.

Here's Monolith snatching Angel out the sky mid-flight:

http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm56pg103iz.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm56pg113or.jpg

Notice how quickly Angel is flying to escape the temple (scan 1).

Monolith isn't exactly slow in react time, even for his size.

He even managed to capture Spiderman:

http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelteamup070023kc.jpg

Originally posted by illadelph12
First of all, we're not miles apart. KK and Monolith can both be on your position in no time at all. Once Monolith arrives, he can perform a thunder clap and disable your whole squad out the gate. KK just needs to assassinate DB Prime (which will be extremely easy to do since he has no offensive or defensivee abilities), and once he's dead, all your Monolith, Crystal, and Powerhouse clones are gone.[/b]

----I dont think distance was ever stated, but a sand storm and molten rock coming at you will slow you down from the very beginning

Monolith can over whelm Crystal with his superior flight speed, he could just tackle her and crush her under his mass. His reflexes are fast enough to catch Angel in midflight, smack Thor like a *****, and catch Spiderman in his barehand and toss him away like a piece of trash, so his hand eye coordination is not lacking.

-----yes his reaction is good within is own natural speed, with Mach speeds? ❌ he wont be able to move mobily as good. and he COULD get to Crystal cept there are two Monolith Gaurds waiting to take him on

KK can make short work of Powerhouse; he can't land a shot on him with Kk's superior reflexes, speed, agility, and combat awareness, and all he needs is one punch and it's game over for Alex.

---KK is too busy with sand and lava and lighting and Alex is still within the shield Crystal has up. KK comes at my sheild he gets burned away

The Wendigos are easily dealt with. You're spweing lava all over the place and you don't have pinpoint accuracy, and you definitely aren't marking targets that are moving through the air at mach speeds with lava spouts that have to come forth from the groud and travel slowly. if you haven't killed the Wendigos yourself, you've scared the living shit out of them and they're retreating. [b]Animals don't run towards volcanic activity. My sister's cat breaks a half hour before an earthquake even hits. [/b]

-----easily dealt with. Powerhouse flings them at Monoliths while fighting my two Monoliths, getting hit by 75 class strenght characeters gotta hurt
and who said Crystal doesnt have pinpoint accruracy?