Originally posted by Blair Wind
restate the question. Do you mean something along the lines of if he got a power to stretch he would not be able to stretch because its a physical characterstics? Like super strength?
I'm saying he couldn't copy Hawkman because the wings are genetic, not a super power. He can copy powers like flight, heat blasts, etc, he can't copy physical characteristics like wings or body structure.
hawkmans wings arnt grown......but I cant say yes or no. Im going to say he can because he can basically duplicate anything he wants, so long as someone else has it.
body structure? ya he can duplicate that, like if you have a rocky body and its your alien birthright, that he can.
dammit know your making me think....ima go find out what I can about how he copies the powers
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Inhibitors play no role, once he became monolith they were useless. They were put in place to stop that from happening. It wasn't a power fluctuation he INCREASED in power. And the variables don't effect the fact that he is susceptible to electricity
Dog, it says specifically that Spiderman overloaded the machine which in turn caused Monolith to grow uncontrollably to 60 feet tall, and it says he used the machine and 3 members of the Fantastic 4 to bypass the inhibitors. That's an isolated incident with factors not present in this battle.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
hawkmans wings arnt grown......but I cant say yes or no. Im going to say he can because he can basically duplicate anything he wants, so long as someone else has it.body structure? ya he can duplicate that, like if you have a rocky body and its your alien birthright, that he can.
dammit know your making me think....ima go find out what I can about how he copies the powers
He can't copy physical characteristics, he can only copy superpowers. He couldn't copy Angel's wings or Wolverine's claws.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
ok so he bypassed them, your point? spidy made him grow bigger. In that moment he was a bigger and more powerful monolith. Your statements are being illogical. He wasnt weakened by getting bigger (since in fact he can get as big as his living planet self)Electricity still hurts him.
You're missing the point.
In that instance, he had power inhibitors in his body and was being overloaded by a malfunctioning machine. There's no way of knowing if the electrictity would have any effect on him without these other circumstances at play, and also, Spiderman freed the Fantastic 4 from the machine, meaning they regained their powers and siphoned it away from Monolith, which factored into his shrinking.
None of that is available to you.
Spider-Man managed to save the three heroes and overload the machine that provided Abdol with his power. As a result, he grew even larger, over 60 feet
^^^ so by them being released he shrank? ❌ the overloading of the maching gave him the power to get bigger. he no longer needed those three. The inhibitors had already been passed. That means that right then and there monolith was even more powerful than yours. It couldnt have taken just one panel to electrocute him and he never shrank while fighting them. so the variables play no factor into the electricy harming him
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Spider-Man managed to save the three heroes and overload the machine that provided Abdol with his power. As a result, he grew even larger, over 60 feet^^^ so by them being released he shrank? ❌ the overloading of the maching gave him the power to get bigger. he no longer needed those three. The inhibitors had already been passed. That means that right then and there monolith was even more powerful than yours. It couldnt have taken just one panel to electrocute him and he never shrank while fighting them. so the variables play no factor into the electricy harming him
The inhibitors were still in his body, and he was being energized by a malfunctioning machine. There's no way of saying that those elements weren't a factor, especially considering nothing like that happened in any other appearance.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The inhibitors were still in his body, and he was being energized by a malfunctioning machine. There's no way of saying that those elements weren't a factor, especially considering nothing like that happened in any other appearance.
but the inhibitors where there to stop him from being Monolith, after that they wouldnt be able to have any effect on him. He was already energized, once he has the energy, he doesnt need the machine, so the machine is of no consequence. You cant deny that he was already more power than YOUR monolith and he was weakened through electricity. It really is that simple
Every bio I've read says that of the Heroes of Lallor, Duplicate Boy had the power to copy super powers, and Beast Boy had the power to copy any animal or beast and it natural abilities. No where is it stated that Duplicate Boy copy's physical characterics, it says specifically powers. When he copied Superboy it didn't say he copied his natural Kryptonian Density and genetic structure, those aren't super powers.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
but the inhibitors where there to stop him from being Monolith, after that they wouldnt be able to have any effect on him. He was already energized, once he has the energy, he doesnt need the machine, so the machine is of no consequence. You cant deny that he was already more power than YOUR monolith and he was weakened through electricity. It really is that simple
The inhibitors were there to keep him from becoming Monolith.
The machine plus three members of the Fantastic 4 were used to bypass the inhibitors.
Spiderman caused the machine to overload, which increased the power transfer, overloaded Monolith and made him grow uncontrollably, and then the 3 Fantastic 4 members were removed from the machine, the machine no longer functioned, and the inhibitors were still within Ahmet's body as he was shocked by a power cable.
As I've said, none of those factors are available to you, so there's no way for you to say that you could cause the same effect.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Every bio I've read says that of the Heroes of Lallor, Duplicate Boy had the power to copy super powers, and Beast Boy had the power to copy any animal or beast and it natural abilities. No where is it stated that Beast Boy copy's physical characterics, it says specifically powers. When he copied Superboy it didn't say he copied his natural Kryptonian Density and genetic structure, those aren't super powers.
It didnt say that, but he does have the same invulnability. He copied mon el and he is a Dax(-alien), the only weakness they had was lead, and he got his density and invulnarbilty from him in a lot of comics. And the Dax aliens didnt need radiation I dont think, so it wasnt a "super power" just their alien birthrights.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The inhibitors were there to keep him from becoming Monolith.The machine plus three members of the Fantastic 4 were used to bypass the inhibitors.
Spiderman caused the machine to overload, which increased the power tranfer, and then the 3 Fantastic 4 members were removed from the Machine, the machine no longer functioned, and the inhibitors were still within Ahmet's body.
and yet he was still 60 feet and kicking? if what your saying is supposed to weaken him then why was he 60 feet tall? He got more powerful, simple. once he had the energy nothing else matters. Taken from that point on he was more powerful than your monolith and electricity harmed him
Years later, he was freed from prison by his cult members and his latest plan to become the Monolith was already in operation. One of the cult, a young woman called Fayah Sahid contacted the Fantastic Four, supposedly warning them of Abdol's plans of conquest. In fact, she helped teleport three members (the Human Torch, Invisible Woman and Mr Fantastic) to the Pharaoh's HQ where he rendered them unconscious. He planned on using their energy to override the inhibitors his body placed which him prevented him from becoming the Monolith. Meanwhile however, Fayah had been captured in New York by She-Hulk (then a member of the Fantastic Four). Abdol learned of her predicament and also that she was his daughter Salome, who had insisted on being part of his team without his knowledge. Ruthless by now, Abdol killed her from afar by activating the electrocution device around her neck. Using the energy he'd drained from the three he became the Monolith again. Spider-Man managed to save the three heroes and overload the machine that provided Abdol with his power. As a result, he grew even larger, over 60 feet. Working together, Captain America and She-Hulk electrocuted Abdol with a power cable. Weakened, he collapsed and shrank again. Unable to stand up, Captain America persuaded Abdol that he had been causing harm to innocents by the rampage."
also none of that says that he actually had the inhibitors IN his body
You're still missing the point B-Dub:
In that occurence, Monolith had power inhibitors in his body, was being overloaded by a malfunctioning device, and was chanelling the power of three Fantastic 4 members into himself by that same malfunctioning device and suffering from a power fluctuation. Monolith is not going to be in that state or influenced by any of those factors in this battle, so there is no way for you to say that you can effect him with a lightning bolt the way Cap and She-Hulk did with the power cable. There's no way to even define the properties of the power cable.
In a word: circumstantial evidence.
There's no way for you to prove that without the other factors he was conflicted with in that secenario that the lightning would effect him at all.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
and yet he was still 60 feet and kicking? if what your saying is supposed to weaken him then why was he 60 feet tall? He got more powerful, simple. once he had the energy nothing else matters. Taken from that point on he was more powerful than your monolith and electricity harmed himYears later, he was freed from prison by his cult members and his latest plan to become the Monolith was already in operation. One of the cult, a young woman called Fayah Sahid contacted the Fantastic Four, supposedly warning them of Abdol's plans of conquest. In fact, she helped teleport three members (the Human Torch, Invisible Woman and Mr Fantastic) to the Pharaoh's HQ where he rendered them unconscious. He planned on using their energy to override the inhibitors his body placed which him prevented him from becoming the Monolith. Meanwhile however, Fayah had been captured in New York by She-Hulk (then a member of the Fantastic Four). Abdol learned of her predicament and also that she was his daughter Salome, who had insisted on being part of his team without his knowledge. Ruthless by now, Abdol killed her from afar by activating the electrocution device around her neck. Using the energy he'd drained from the three he became the Monolith again. Spider-Man managed to save the three heroes and overload the machine that provided Abdol with his power. As a result, he grew even larger, over 60 feet. Working together, Captain America and She-Hulk electrocuted Abdol with a power cable. Weakened, he collapsed and shrank again. Unable to stand up, Captain America persuaded Abdol that he had been causing harm to innocents by the rampage."
also none of that says that he actually had the inhibitors IN his body
He planned on using their energy to override the inhibitors his body placed which him prevented him from becoming the Monolith.
4th sentence of the synopsis.
:edit: [Not snappin', but the grammar of whoever wrote that synopsis reminds me of stormfront. ]
Originally posted by illadelph12
Monolith is not going to be in that state or influenced by any of those facotrs in this battle, so there is no way for you to say that you can effect him with a lightning bolt the way Cap and She-Hulk did with the power cable.There's no way for you to prove that without the other factors he was conflicted with in that secenario that the lightning would effect him at all.
in what state? He was 60 feet tall man, he got bigger!! he absorbed more into himself. He is either Monolith or he isnt, and by that time he was. The inhibitors play no role. and once he got a bigger dose than normal from the machine he was already powered up and didnt need the machine. the machine and his power level relate in that it gave him more power than normal, NOT in that it made him suffer through a power fluctuations going up and down in power level. He just went up, and stablized at a certain point.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
in what state? He was 60 feet tall man, he got bigger!! he absorbed more into himself. He is either Monolith or he isnt, and by that time he was. The inhibitors play no role. and once he got a bigger dose than normal from the machine he was already powered up and didnt need the machine. the machine and his power level relate in that it gave him more power than normal, NOT in that it made him suffer through a power fluctuations going up and down in power level. He just went up, and stablized at a certain point.
B-Dub, come on bruh:
He had power inhibitors effecting him, he was being overloaded by a malfunctioning machine, and he needed the power of 3 members of the Fantastic 4 and machinery in order to facilitate the transformation and bypass the inhibitors, and the energy transfer was through, as I've said before, a malfunctioning machine.
Originally, he only needed Havok alone:
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm56pg103iz.jpg
And he transformed without a hitch and without anyone disrupting his machinery.
With the inhibitors, he needed 3 times the normal amount of power just to transform, and on top of that, Spiderman made the machine malfunction. Without Spiderman's influence making the machine malfunction, without the inhibitors, and without the need to channel the power of 3 cosmic mutates into himself to bypass said inhibitors, there is no way for you to say the power cable would effect Monolith on it's own, because it's never been shown to do so, and he's never been in that situation with all of those factors at any other time.
That was an isolated incident.
This most recent theory involving stealing Monolith's power is too convoluted for me to make heads or tails of. And I can't consider something to be a part of the fight if I can't completely justify the possibility that it would happen.
Monolith + the flight ring's defensive capabilities is pretty damn sick. Gamora would probably go down fast from the sandstorm, but KK's got a ring too and can take out all sorts of lesser-skilled jobbers. The Wendigos I barely consider to be a factor at all with more skilled, powerful, and smarter opponents pretty much everywhere in this fight. And the fact that Ill hasn't even mentioned Vertigo and I'm still leaning towards him says a lot.
I actually voted against him last round, but Ill has my (judges) vote.
Nice fight. And good luck to whomever wins.
