Originally posted by Blair Wind
as stated here
http://www.nategrey.freeservers.com/Monolith.htm
when havoks around he cant use his powers. Why? because havok and him have the same basic dna (apoc and sinister made him that way) so yes being around himself will hurt him. So your one monolith would be conflicted against my three monoliths, and all his power would be drained. My three would then channel that power to one of them, then switch to crystals. Lava, sand, and lighting have already downed KK (and no KK and DB are not teamates. The legion and the heroes of lallor are more like rivals), and while Im sending winds in your direction, I can also be sending winds from behind your position to the wendigos for them to follow. and winds to push them away from me if nessarcary to move them into positionedit: in that link it also states that she hulk and Captain America electrocuted him with a power cable and he shrank back in size. Lighting strikes through my Crystals could also work
heres where it talks about apoc and sinister http://www.mutanthigh.com/monolith.html
That wouldn't work. You aren't copying DNA, remember, you're copying super powers. That effect isn't available to you because you won't be carrying any genetic material of a cosmic mutate.
Originally posted by illadelph12
That wouldn't work. You aren't copying DNA, remember, you're copying super powers. That effect isn't available to you because you won't be carrying any genetic material of a cosmic mutate.
same thing though. I get the powers and the power levels. Ive stated this before. With your one monolith and my three monoliths your monoliths powers wouldnt work and they would get drained because while they have the power levels, their still cosmic energy sponges. Also if she hulk and Cap can make him shrink by electrocuting him then so can my crystals
In that instance when the power cable was used to depower him:
"Years later, he was freed from prison by his cult members and his latest plan to become the Monolith was already in operation. One of the cult, a young woman called Fayah Sahid contacted the Fantastic Four, supposedly warning them of Abdol's plans of conquest. In fact, she helped teleport three members (the Human Torch, Invisible Woman and Mr Fantastic) to the Pharaoh's HQ where he rendered them unconscious. He planned on using their energy to override the inhibitors his body placed which him prevented him from becoming the Monolith. Meanwhile however, Fayah had been captured in New York by She-Hulk (then a member of the Fantastic Four). Abdol learned of her predicament and also that she was his daughter Salome, who had insisted on being part of his team without his knowledge. Ruthless by now, Abdol killed her from afar by activating the electrocution device around her neck. Using the energy he'd drained from the three he became the Monolith again. Spider-Man managed to save the three heroes and overload the machine that provided Abdol with his power. As a result, he grew even larger, over 60 feet. Working together, Captain America and She-Hulk electrocuted Abdol with a power cable. Weakened, he collapsed and shrank again. Unable to stand up, Captain America persuaded Abdol that he had been causing harm to innocents by the rampage."
It says the machine he was using to empower himself was overloaded by Spiderman, his size fluctuated due to the machine overloading him (over 60 feet tall), he had inhibitors placed in his body from being in prison, and then Cap and She Hulk used a power cable on him. None of those other factors are available to you. Monolith is stable and not being affected by inhibitors or overloaded by machinery in this battle.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
same thing though. I get the powers [b]and the power levels. Ive stated this before. With your one monolith and my three monoliths your monoliths powers wouldnt work and they would get drained because while they have the power levels, their still cosmic energy sponges. Also if she hulk and Cap can make him shrink by electrocuting him then so can my crystals [/B]
His powers would work. They don't have the genetic structure of Havok or the Fantastic 4, they simply copied Monolith's powers.
Objectively, even if it did work, they would not be empowered either, and once you have them switch to Crystal's power, the effect would wear off.
Originally posted by illadelph12
His powers would work. They don't have the genetic structure of Havok or the Fantastic for, they simply copied Monolith's powers.Objectively, even if it did work, they would not be empowered either, and once you have them switch to Crystal's power, the effect would wear off.
they copied his powers and his power levels. It seems that people who absorb cosmic rays interfere with eachother. Once it works, the pharoah dies from lava and sand.
or just a bunch of lighting 😈
Originally posted by Blair Wind
the point of that would be? he was the living monolith only bigger than the one you have now and more powerful actually. So if they can do it I can do it to.
The point of that being there are factors in that scenario that aren't available to you here. Monolith isn't being overloaded by a machine, he doesn't have the inhibitors placed in him from prison, and there's no power cables. There's no way of determining that that effect would happen without those combined factors because that's the only occurance in which it took place.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
they copied his powers and his power levels. It seems that people who absorb cosmic rays interfere with eachother. Once it works, the pharoah dies from lava and sand.or just a bunch of lighting 😈
No.
Monolith is affected by Havok because Sinister spliced Alex's DNA with his own, and he is effected by the Fantastic Four because they are cosmic mutates. You said yourself that Duplicate Boy doesn't copy genetics, he only copies powers. He would copy Monolith's powers, not his mutation, just like you claim he wouldn't copy Superboy's solar dependency and yet copy his powers as is.
Originally posted by illadelph12
The point of that being there are factors in that scenario that aren't available to you here. Monolith isn't being overloaded by a machine, he doesn't have the inhibitors placed in him from prison, and there's no power cables. There's no way of determining that that effect would happen without those combined factors because that's the only occurance in which it took place.
thats reaching, hes more powerful when he got overloaded and once he was Monolith the inhibitors didnt work (since they were in place to stop him from being Monolith) Lighting takes the place of power cables
once your shrunk down to size, you die with molten rock and sandstorms
Originally posted by illadelph12
No.Monolith is affected by Havok because Sinister spliced Alex's DNA with his own, and he is effected by the Fantastic Four because they are cosmic mutates. You said yourself that Duplicate Boy doesn't copy genetics, he only copies powers. He would copy Monolith's powers, not his mutation, just like you claim he wouldn't copy Superboy's solar dependency and yet copy his powers as is.
exactly, but since he is getting all the powers, that includes being a cosmic sponge
Originally posted by Blair Wind
thats reaching, hes more powerful when he got overloaded and once he was Monolith the inhibitors didnt work (since they were in place to stop him from being Monolith) Lighting takes the place of power cablesonce your shrunk down to size, you die with molten rock and sandstorms
It's not reaching, it's what happened.
Without all the factors of that scenario, there's no way of saying electricity would effect him.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
exactly, but since he is getting all the powers, that includes being a cosmic sponge
😆
The "cosmic sponge" ability is genetic. His mutation involves absorbing cosmic rays, which leads to the transformation. You haven't copied his genetics, you've copied the end result of said genetics (his powers). You won't drain anyone, and you won't know how to use his powers.
so your saying a more powerful monolith is more susceptible to electricity than your monolith? that makes no sense. The inhibitors where to stop him from being monolith, and they failed, spidy overloaded him and he got even more powerful.
All in all he is STILL monolith meaning electricity would still hurt him.
Originally posted by illadelph12
😆The "cosmic sponge" ability is genetic. His mutation involves absorbing cosmic rays, which leads to the transformation. You haven't copied his genetics, you've copied the end result of said genetics (his powers). You won't drain anyone, and you won't know how to use his powers.
he copies ALL powers and power levels. Maybe I didnt make that clear. actually I may have said the wrong thing now that I look back at what I wrote. Its still his "power" he copies powers the end result as well as the power levels. Its still not that he copies the DNA I dont think, but since Monolith is still sucking up ambient energy, its still a part of his power coupled with the level of power
Originally posted by illadelph12
As a matter of fact, when he absorbed Superboy, did he take on his physical characteristics, or just his powers? Because I'm fairly sure that Duplicate Boy can only copy powers and not physical characteristics.
restate the question. Do you mean something along the lines of if he got a power to stretch he would not be able to stretch because its a physical characterstics? Like super strength?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
so your saying a more powerful monolith is more susceptible to electricity than your monolith? that makes no sense. The inhibitors where to stop him from being monolith, and they failed, spidy overloaded him and he got even more powerful.All in all he is STILL monolith meaning electricity would still hurt him.
No.
I'm saying Monolith, with inhibitors in his body, and being overloaded by a machine, and having power fluctuations, was susceptible to that power cable in that particular instance.
All of those factors aren't available here.
In that scenario, the machine was making Ahmet transform uncontrollably, he had power inhibitors in his body, he was fresh from the effects of the machine, and 3 members of the Fantastic 4 were present. None of those factors are available to you here, so there is no way for you to argue that you could create the same effects in this battle without all of the factors present.