NJO Luke and Ragnos, but only slightly, somehow i think Kun is the strongest on the Sadow,kresh,revan side so if ragnos and luke take him out first the they would win, since Ragnos is above all the sithlords there, dunno though, even if kun can best luke, it would take him a while, and considering ragnos mite take down kressh, sadow and revan quickly leaving kun alone
Ok here we go again 🙂
Kun fires a couple of blasts of energy.
1) In KOTOR the Rakatan's describe Revan "calling lightning from the sky to slaughter us"
2) Okay Exar Kun defeated Vodo. What's the big deal? He may of have been the Jedi master, but that does not necessarily translate into the best thing since swiss cheese. Revan defeated a "Malak empowered by the Star Forge".
3)Ok so Exar pushed around Sylvan a bit. Revan was also adept at using the force to hurl his opponents across rooms. There are moves in KOTOR emulating Kun's power such as force wave.
well, i still think Ragnos and NJO luke takes this, because Ragnos was far above kresseh and sadow, since neitherr attacked ragnos even when his was on his deathbed, revan, may last a while, but i wouldnt give him longer than 60 seconds, kun's invention on the double bladed lightsaber, well that mite surprise ragnos but certainly not luke, so either way Ragnos and NJO luke wins
Originally posted by w00t2112
well, i still think Ragnos and NJO luke takes this, because Ragnos was far above kresseh and sadow, since neitherr attacked ragnos even when his was on his deathbed, revan, may last a while, but i wouldnt give him longer than 60 seconds, kun's invention on the double bladed lightsaber, well that mite surprise ragnos but certainly not luke, so either way Ragnos and NJO luke wins
Wootman you are again downplaying Sadow, Kresh and Revan. What gives you the impression that they are no match for NJO Luke and Ragnos?
Originally posted by zephiel7
Wootman you are again downplaying Sadow, Kresh and Revan. What gives you the impression that they are no match for NJO Luke and Ragnos?
Ok, Ragnos was the Dark Lord of the Sith of Sadow and Kressh, but, it was only after Ragnos died, that Sadow and Kressh did a battle for supremacy, neither of them of challenged Ragnos's rule, and even though they wanted to expand the empire while Ragnos refused, if they were indeed stronger than him, why did they not kill him? why did they not harm him in over 100 years?
NJO Luke as many people have said, is a match of Ragnos for a number of reasons, even though i disagree, NJO luke was no weakling, the force powers and saber techniques he displayed was extremely skillful, he invented his own force powers, he is also able to use both the light and dark side, having fallen to the dark side and have to the will-power and strength to come back.
Originally posted by zephiel7
Ok here we go again 🙂Kun fires a couple of blasts of energy.
1) In KOTOR the Rakatan's describe Revan "calling lightning from the sky to slaughter us"
2) Okay Exar Kun defeated Vodo. What's the big deal? He may of have been the Jedi master, but that does not necessarily translate into the best thing since swiss cheese. Revan defeated a "Malak empowered by the Star Forge".
3)Ok so Exar pushed around Sylvan a bit. Revan was also adept at using the force to hurl his opponents across rooms. There are moves in KOTOR emulating Kun's power such as force wave.
1) And such is inconclusive. For all you know he could merely have been shooting them with turbolasers. Prove up with a conclusive source.
Nice try downplaying his power as "a couple blasts of energy." The panels show he repeatedly issues forth massive blasts of energy, requiring no apparent recharge time. These blasts are powerful enough to blasts holes in the stone temple and rip through the Sith Wyrm like a knife through butter.
2) Vodo was the Jedi master of the time. He was his era's Yoda, and when you consider his era was far more warlike than the PT, you've got a damned good fighter. I'm damned confident he would pwn Malak.
3) First of all, gameplay mechanics are not canon. Only story elements are. That's why nobody tosses around "force destruction" from Jedi Knight.
Second of all, you need to consider the comical ease with which he disposes of her.
Again, Revan goes down to a bored snap of Ragnos's fingers. Kun takes out Luke, and then the three gang up on Ragnos.
Titanic battle ensues, outcome inconclusive.
1) I dont think Revan was talking through a walkie talkie giving orders from above to bomb the Rakatans lol. They called all of Revan's feats "magic" which would be best described through the force. I mean Revan was DLS at the time, the lightning from the sky is probably a massive Force storm.
2) I need more evidence on Vodo's strength. I honestly do not see him as someone super strong. Its possible he attained Jedi master rank solely due to his wisdom. Empowering a staff is no big deal. I mean why didn't NJO Luke empower a walkng stick to become as powerful as a lightsaber? Because it was unnessecary. It doesn't prove that Vodo is THAT great.
3) Gameplay or not, those abilities were still available. It shows that these feats are not as great as "once believed".
1) I dont think Revan was talking through a walkie talkie giving orders from above to bomb the Rakatans lol. They called all of Revan's feats "magic" which would be best described through the force. I mean Revan was DLS at the time, the lightning from the sky is probably a massive Force storm.
What a crock. Nevermind that primitive cultures throughout history have considered advanced technology to be "magic."
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke
Like I said, inconclusive. You can't prove it was Force or technology or otherwise.
(Side note: I'm hard pressed to believe Revan was actually the Dark Lord of the Sith. As we've seen in TOTJ, one must be crowned as the Dark Lord. I think he just hijacked the name for his own purposes).
2) I need more evidence on Vodo's strength. I honestly do not see him as someone super strong. Its possible he attained Jedi master rank solely due to his wisdom. Empowering a staff is no big deal. I mean why didn't NJO Luke empower a walkng stick to become as powerful as a lightsaber? Because it was unnessecary. It doesn't prove that Vodo is THAT great.
Oh yes, of course you don't want to see him as a powerful force user.
Nevermind he was six hundred years old and was granted greater weight in matters than masters like Thon and Ood. Nevermind he's the de facto grandmaster of the entire order.
Empowering a staff is "no big deal?" Do you have any idea what you're talking about? It is made more powerful than a lightsaber - which are able to cut through practically anything.
This is in addition to the fact that Vodo knows the "force blocking" technique that Odan taught Nomi (as evidenced by the narration when he and a handful of other jedi temporarily block Ulic Qel-Droma from the Force).
3) No, gameplay makes the abilities irrelevant. Gameplay mechanics are not canon. Practically nothing in the game is canon except the story, period.
Nevermind you ignore again the ease with which Exar performed the action.
IKC that last part of the post made me laugh...
I think I already debated the lightning part with you once, and you agreed it couldn't been a ship.
You see the Rakatan have this nice shield that disables those weapons on a ship. Remember those guys on the unknown planet they left the safety of their ship to go outside, why would they do that if their ship weapons still worked? If ship weapons would still have worked then the entire use of the shield would be stupid, its supposed to completly disable everything that comes inside and doens't have the codes.
Weapons are very much part of the ship and are controlled by computers, the Rakatan shield would shut them down. Revan could not have used a ship to destroy the Rakatan. He used lightning simple as that. For the rest i agree, what Exar has shown is more impressive.
Oh come on...
First of all Communications wouldn't work so how is he going to do that? And do you honestly believe Revan is stupid enough to go in first without sending scouts first?
(in case you want to argue he did send scouts, there is no mention of them anywhere and the Rakatan say he and Malak came alone)
Also the Elders know technology they would know what the ships was and yet they still recognize Revan his ability's with the force.
Also using a ship would be absolutely worthless and stupid unless of course he was the weakest Sith Lord ever, but he isn't we know he is quite powerful. And don't forget that the tribe of the one has encountered other people with blasters (Mandelorians and traders that crashed there). They don't describe them with calling lightning from the sky. And lightning looks completely different from the gun fire of a ship.
Originally posted by Wesker
Lightning from the sky? I assumed it was force lightning. That's not exactly something impossible to learn and use. And I'm pretty sure any dark side user can dominate a single village of primitives pretty easily.
It is force lightning, quite powerful lightning as well it managed to kill Rancors and some Rakatan warriors, according to them entire scout party's were taken out by Revan his lightning from the sky...
