Originally posted by tdtd
For the last time, Exar Kun is no match for NJO Luke. If you read NJO novels you will understand that.
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Are you going to prove up, or are all your arguments somehow hidden in the books? There's plenty of people here who have read NJO, and none of them share your sentiments.
The lightning from the sky was definately Revan's force storm
Winning against Vodo is still not going to cut it. I mean if the staff was stronger than a lightsaber, why was it cut in two? We don't know enough about Vodo to conclude on his skill relative to prodigies other than Exar. I mean Revan would bea ble to do the same as Exar if he were facing off against Vodo. He defeated a Sith Lord empowered by the star forge. Comparing Vodo and Malak augmented by the Star Forge, we can say that Malak was at least Vodo's equal.
The lightning from the sky was definately Revan's force storm
Unproven speculation.
Winning against Vodo is still not going to cut it.
So nevermind that he was the Yoda of a warlike time, the de facto grandmaster of an order thousands strong.
I mean if the staff was stronger than a lightsaber, why was it cut in two?
So you're disputing the authority now? Forget logical fallacies, zephiel. You're calling the omniscient narrator a liar.
Nevermind you're ignoring any one of many possibilities, such as Exar Kun using his own power to remove Vodo's enhancement.
We don't know enough about Vodo to conclude on his skill relative to prodigies other than Exar.
But we do know enough to conclude on his skill relative to other ancient Jedi masters. He is accorded more respect and weight in matters (such as Ulic's decision to infiltrate the Krath) than anyone with the possible exception of 1000-year-old Odan-Urr.
I mean Revan would bea ble to do the same as Exar if he were facing off against Vodo.
Got any proof? You're speculating again.
He defeated a Sith Lord empowered by the star forge. Comparing Vodo and Malak augmented by the Star Forge, we can say that Malak was at least Vodo's equal.
No, we can't. That's your assumption. You need to prove up.
Well, IKC, if Vodo's staff was more powerful than a lightsaber in the manner that you're implying, he would have vaporized Kun's hand instead of bruising it.
So Faunus, you decided to dispute the authority as well? Any particular reason?
Are we not taking into account the possibility that Vodo perhaps didn't want to vaporize his student's hand at that particular moment?
IKC read my post in this or another thread (to lazy to look it up)... It was his own lightning there is no other explanation..
And are you now suggesting that he would make his staff so powerful and then weaken it a second later and then make it powerful again? Or is it possible that the guy just made a stick powerful enough to resist a lightsaber attack but not with the same functions of a lightsaber? As that is clearly what is shown in the comic...
Why not take into account that Vodo was defending himself and didn't want to kill his student. Obi Wan did the exact same thing with Anakin on Mustafa, he fought a purely defensive battle. And I don't know why you're comparing Vodo with Yoda.. We know nothing about Vodo in terms of his combat and force abilities, so the comparison doesn't work..
Originally posted by zephiel7
The lightning from the sky was definately Revan's force storm
So what ? Exar Kun has shown the ability to simply withstand powerful force attacks (as seen when Odan Urr tries to cut his force connection off) and he has shown that he could virtually rip apart everybody with a handmovement (maybe using his amulets - or not - that doesn't matter).
As Revan has never shown the ability to simply "resist" force attacks especially no force attacks augmented / produced by ancient Sith Alchemy devices (like Exar's amulets) he's pretty much toast if Exar decides to blast him. If not that...Exar's lightsaber mastery would take care of him...
Winning against Vodo is still not going to cut it. I mean if the staff was stronger than a lightsaber, why was it cut in two? We don't know enough about Vodo to conclude on his skill relative to prodigies other than Exar.
He has stalemated Exar once as we have seen so obviously his skill was equal to Exar's in the first place. And it doesn't matter. Vodo had enough self-confidence to go and confront the Dark Lord of the Sith with a walking stick instead of taking a lightsaber. I guess that somehow speaks for him being a master of armed combat - doesn't it ?
And Malak being equal or above Vodo is speculation and nothing more. Obviously somebody managed to cut Malak's jaw off...
Since I don't know why you're even discussing that here since Revan and Exar are in the same team I'll just return to the topic.
Ragnos is the strongest person here. Seeing that he's arguably far above Sadow and Kressh I guess he might take them down both rather easily. NJO Luke might be able to defeat Exar and Revan if they are seperated - together...no way. So I think this will come down to Exar + Revan VS Ragnos in the end and I'd say Ragnos will win that. Seeing the things you can produce with Sith Alchemy and some stuff that belonged to Ragnos (especially his sceptre) he might even be able to wipe the entire enemy team out on his own.
And are you now suggesting that he would make his staff so powerful and then weaken it a second later and then make it powerful again?
Vodo wasn't using his staff at all until he hits Kun's hand as he's about to strike at Sylvar after Sylvar clawed him. This was a training exercise when Kun was still a padawan. Obviously Vodo has some precision control over which parts of his staff are empowered since he can hold it with bare hands.
Or is it possible that the guy just made a stick powerful enough to resist a lightsaber attack but not with the same functions of a lightsaber? As that is clearly what is shown in the comic...
It's possible but extremely unlikely, given that Vodo has a big two-page monologue before he confronts Exar Kun for the final time with the intent to stop him armed only with his stick. Obviously either he can give his stick properties we're unaware of or Vodo's such a good fighter that he thought he could incapacitate Kun with it.
Why not take into account that Vodo was defending himself and didn't want to kill his student.
Except he wasn't, because he was trying to defend Sylvar from an angry Padawan Kun in that scan. Good job knowing what you're talking about...
And I don't know why you're comparing Vodo with Yoda.. We know nothing about Vodo in terms of his combat and force abilities, so the comparison doesn't work..
How many times must I repeat myself?
But we do know enough to conclude on his skill relative to other ancient Jedi masters. He is accorded more respect and weight in matters (such as Ulic's decision to infiltrate the Krath) than anyone with the possible exception of 1000-year-old Odan-Urr.Oh yes, of course you don't want to see him as a powerful force user.
Nevermind he was six hundred years old and was granted greater weight in matters than masters like Thon and Ood. Nevermind he's the de facto grandmaster of the entire order.
Empowering a staff is "no big deal?" Do you have any idea what you're talking about? It is made more powerful than a lightsaber - which are able to cut through practically anything.
This is in addition to the fact that Vodo knows the "force blocking" technique that Odan taught Nomi (as evidenced by the narration when he and a handful of other jedi temporarily block Ulic Qel-Droma from the Force).
Drilled through your head yet?
Nai, great post but I must take issue with a couple of points:
He has stalemated Exar once as we have seen so obviously his skill was equal to Exar's in the first place.
He stalemated (really, pretty much defeated) Exar when Exar was still his apprentice. Then Exar called his saber back and used both of them (his and Crado's, which he was fighting with already) to beat Vodo.
NJO Luke might be able to defeat Exar and Revan if they are seperated
Revan, sure. Exar? Heck no.
It's possible but extremely unlikely, given that Vodo has a big two-page monologue before he confronts Exar Kun for the final time with the intent to stop him armed only with his stick. Obviously either he can give his stick properties we're unaware of or Vodo's such a good fighter that he thought he could incapacitate Kun with it.
Unlikely? More unlikely then him making a staff able to kill people when there is no evidence to suggest that?
The quote can be seen in many ways and there is nothing to suggest that the staff can indeed kill on impact, so it would be an assumption to say that it can, and unless you have some real prove for that it means nothing.
Drilled through your head yet?
And all of this makes him a powerful fighte rhow? Sure he was powerful but it doesn't make him a lightsaber god in anyway shape or form. If anything you are just stating feats, which mean nothing in combat.
Revan, sure. Exar? Heck no.
Exar might win, but Luke isn't a weakling by any stretch of the imagination, what is it with KMC and going from one extreme to the other.
NJO Luke pwning all, NJO Luke being pwned by any Sith that came before Revan. Revan being a god, Revan sucking so much he would lose from Dooku. Sidious being unable to handle a lightsaber, Sidious being a force god that could content with the greatest (this has happened even before lightsnake) and ussually it changes in a matter of weeks... Often without a lot of evidence for it.
Unlikely? More unlikely then him making a staff able to kill people when there is no evidence to suggest that?
How many times do I have to state this?
Vodo confronted the Dark Lord of the Sith armed with a stick.
Obviously he's either such a good fighter that he thought he could incapacitate Kun or, just as likely, his ability to make it more powerful than a lightsaber grants it additional properties as evidenced by this scan, wherein he shatters a rock with it.
And all of this makes him a powerful fighte rhow? Sure he was powerful but it doesn't make him a lightsaber god in anyway shape or form.
Except apparently he was so skilled that he had the confidence to confront Exar Kun (who, even before becoming the Dark Lord, was described as a "master swordsman"😉 with a stick.
It isn't like Vodo is the old Coleman Trebor, he was obviously quite skilled in combat.
Quote from DLotS - "With the skill of long experience, Master Vodo finds his opponent's balance point-- and sends him flying."
Exar might win, but Luke isn't a weakling by any stretch of the imagination
It's more like Exar will win. What's Luke going to do about those amulet blasts?
