Originally posted by IKC
So Faunus, you decided to dispute the authority as well? Any particular reason?Are we not taking into account the possibility that Vodo perhaps didn't want to vaporize his student's hand at that particular moment?
Not quite, IKC. But thanks for the insinuation.
And actually, it was merely a question. I did consider that Vodo may have returned the staff to its ordinary state, but I wasn't sure if it was likely considering the situation.
Then forgive me my misinterpretation, Faunus, but IMHO your phrasing wasn't the best if it was indeed meant to be a question -
Well, IKC, if Vodo's staff was more powerful than a lightsaber in the manner that you're implying, he would have vaporized Kun's hand instead of bruising it.
For future reference, the four scans wherein Kun kills Vodo encompass the entirety of that particular fight. I didn't leave any panels out (save for the one where Kun stands over Vodo's empty robes).
That's a common mistake. Before he got Sadow's amulet, he hadn't yet embraced the dark side. The two events coincide, and other than allowing him to focus his energy to shoot blasts, nobody can prove exactly what the amulet does.
So to answer your question, no. It isn't logical to assume that, especially since his spirit is able to do some reasonably impressive things without access to his amulets.
(By the way, he's either created or found another by the Sith War, a matching one for his right hand. )
Just some things I noticed in the thread:
Show me 1 person that doesn't share my sentiments in regards to the power of NJO Luke, especially versus Exar Kun.
There are at least three people who think Exar would beat NJO Luke, Fishy, IKC, and myself.
(The lightning from the sky was definately Revan's force storm)
Unproven speculation [b]
Unproven, yes, but there is the fact that there isn't really any reason for the elders to find any lightning from the sky impressive unless it was something completely unheard of. They had force users at least as powerful as Malak(those who could operate the SF) and they also had knowledge of Starships and ship production far beyond Revan's forces that hit Rakata.
[b]So nevermind that he was the Yoda of a warlike time, the de facto grandmaster of an order thousands strong.
The leader of the Order? I used to think so, but the fact that he was on the hidden Dantooine Academy makes me doubt that now. A powerful master, yes, but the grandmaster, unproven.
Are we not taking into account the possibility that Vodo perhaps didn't want to vaporize his student's hand at that particular moment?
There's a chance that he didn't want to kill Kun at all. Perhaps that was why he used a staff rather then a lightsaber.
Vodo had enough self-confidence to go and confront the Dark Lord of the Sith with a walking stick instead of taking a lightsaber. I guess that somehow speaks for him being a master of armed combat - doesn't it ?
Perhaps Vodo didn't have a lightsaber with him. Was their one clipped on his belt or anything? So no, it doesn't necessarily mean he is a master of lightsaber combat, he could be a fool for not realizing how much more powerful Exar had gotten since his previous fight with him.
Obviously he's either such a good fighter that he thought he could incapacitate Kun or, just as likely, his ability to make it more powerful than a lightsaber grants it additional properties as evidenced by this scan, wherein he shatters a rock with it.
How is Vodo shattering a rock with his staff a sign of it being stronger then a lightsaber? I, a martial artist with a little less then 3 years under my belt can shatter rocks with my jongbong(Taekwondo name for a bo staff).
Obi Wan did the exact same thing with Anakin on Mustafa, he fought a purely defensive battle.
Obi-wan, "I will do what I must." Sure, Obi-wan wasn't willing to kill Obi-wan...especially since GL said that Obi-wan thought he had killed Anakin...
Originally posted by DE Calvin
Exar would beat luke...
4 people! tdtd is pwned.
Hmm... There's not enough written about Freedon Nadd to assume that Exar Kun is more powerful than him. The only evidence is that Freedon Nadd is powerful enough to turn Exar Kun to the darkside, and is respected on Korriban by the ancient sith lord ghosts...
What kind of logic is that? You can't assume he is uber because you don't know enough about him. Don't assume someone is stronger then one of the most uber guys just because you don't know a lot about him.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
4 people! tdtd is pwned.[b]Hmm... There's not enough written about Freedon Nadd to assume that Exar Kun is more powerful than him. The only evidence is that Freedon Nadd is powerful enough to turn Exar Kun to the darkside, and is respected on Korriban by the ancient sith lord ghosts...
What kind of logic is that? You can't assume he is uber because you don't know enough about him. Don't assume someone is stronger then one of the most uber guys just because you don't know a lot about him. [/B]
He's not assuming he's stronger. He said it's inconclusive. I'm not going to argue for Nadd being stronger or weaker than Kun.
However, Nadd was able to empower Ommin (and kill him with a wave of his hand), mentally pwn Nomi Sunrider, convert Exar Kun, is "extremely strong" in the dark side, all while his spirit is evidently "powerless." So I have to say he is definitely very strong.
Like he said, it's inconclusive. It's about the only thing I agree with him on though.
Yea what illustrious said. It's inconclusive, I can't give it for anybody.. I've yet to read most of NJO so I can't back up the fact that Luke, at his full potential, could destroy exar kun. I do however know of the godlike force powers he possesses in NJO, and that's far more impressive than anything I've read on Kun..
Originally posted by tdtd
Yea what illustrious said. It's inconclusive, I can't give it for anybody.. I've yet to read most of NJO so I can't back up the fact that Luke, at his full potential, could destroy exar kun. I do however know of the godlike force powers he possesses in NJO, and that's far more impressive than anything I've read on Kun..
Luke's most impressive feat, controlling a balck hole, was done by Kyp Durron, so it's not like he stands a lone. Really though, keep reading NJo and then read Dn, and by then LoF should be coming out, and then start proclaiming Luke is uber.
What about Emerald Lightning? You sit there and say exar kun is uber, but I can make the exact same arguments for Luke. What did Exar Kun do that was more impressive than Luke? Hmm? I'm not sure what comes first NJO or DN but they make Luke a Force God at his fullest potential. Are you going to say I can't use the argument that he's the son of Anakin either? I believe Exar Kun and DE Sidious to be equal, and Luke defeated DE Sidious, while still not at his fullest potential.
