Anakin and Luke Skywalker(ROTS&ROTJ) Vs Darth Malak

Luke doesn't suck. He beat Vader, if he had no skill the fights between him and Vader would be done in seconds. In ESB, if Vader wanted Luke so bad, he could unarm him, and knock him out. If you are saying Luke sucks badly, he would have lost badly.

When Vader lost his patience, he DID end the fight in seconds.

And the whole point of ROTJ was him loving his son. He didn't really want to kill Luke. Saying Luke >>>> Vader is like saying Anakin >>>> Dooku.

Anakin did beat Dooku. Palpatine wouldn't tell Dooku to throw the fight, Palpatine wants the strongest person, if Dooku beats Anakin, he is stronger, so be it.

you have to take in to consideration however, Lucas said that the fighting wasn't as good because of the, and I quote, "lack of magic".

Malak would lose cause Luke's the son Teh CH0S1N 0NE!!!! AND MALAK DOESN'T HAVE ANY HAXXORZ!!! ***** GOT OWNED ***** GOT OWNED!!!

Malak, without much trouble.

Yeah he wouldn't even need to try. he could win with a hand tied behind hid back.

Now, i not taking Luke's side, but you have to remember that the earlier movies talent and Special Effects were less.....sophisticated.

Luke beat vader. Vader's 80% of Sidious in strength. Lucas said this himself. Luke does not suck.

He does not. But you have to also realize that Anakin may have been 80% of Sideous's power, but the guy had been through alot. he got almost every part of his body choped off. Not just his limbs if i remember right. He was getting old. and weaker.

And he threw the fight.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Luke beat vader. Vader's 80% of Sidious in strength. Lucas said this himself. Luke does not suck.

Erm, did you see how Luke fought Vader? He only won because of his rage. He had no solid fighting stance, and was just swinging his saber like a madman.

Luke's a pushover.

Originally posted by Xepeyon
Now, i not taking Luke's side, but you have to remember that the earlier movies talent and Special Effects were less.....sophisticated.

They were effective enough. While not as flashy, the fighting was still effective. However, it was still very basic. Arguing that the choreography is outdated, therefore Luke is actually much better is arguing from ignorance. You cannot know how Luke would fight with better choreography unless the scenes were refilmed and retconned. Since the movies are the top of the line canon, arguing that they are defective or not up to par is undermining the very idea of SW canon and making your argument defunct. So when you say that Luke did X in the movies or books of the OT period, but he was much better than we see him as in ROTJ, you are putting down a superior piece of evidence to raise another up just to prove your point. You can't be selective like that. Special effects aside, the duelling was there and is movie canon. Ergo, you cannot discredit it because you feel it's inferior.

Luke in the OT is a relative amateur with the lightsaber. AOTC Anakin would tool the shit out of him, as would TPM Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn. Hell, even Kit Fisto would beat him. People need to accept this and move on.

Janus and others, I never said Luke would beat Malak or anything like that. That would put me on par with LS in fanboysim for sure. I never said he is better then ROTS Anakin either. I said he'd last longer because he wouldn't try to fight Malak because he is much more calm and reserved then Anakin was. I don't know why me saying that gets all guns firing.

Yes, Luke is better then AOTC Anakin, Janus. If I knew how to get clips from the OT, I'd show some and you would see that the fighting is probably a lot better then you remember. Since I can't, just go watch the fights again and then honestly tell me that Luke is worse then AOTC Anakin.

How about you watch the sequence where Luke continually uses his lightsaber as a sledgehammer against Vader, Glentract?

What skill! It only took him about five full seconds to realize that hacking off Vader's hand would be more effective than beating on his lightsaber!

Again, he is.

AotC was no expert, but like I was proved wrong, he survived the battle of Geonosis. Imagine Luke in that arena. The Nexu would rip him apart. Anakin at least had a stable form and kept it. And again, Luke is nothing but a mad man with his saber at this point. Anakin'd pwn him.

Moving away from Anakin, I just watched Luke going phsyco, and he has no great saber skill.

Originally posted by Faroth
Again, he is.

AotC was no expert, but like I was proved wrong, he survived the battle of Geonosis. Imagine Luke in that arena. The Nexu would rip him apart. Anakin at least had a stable form and kept it. And again, Luke is nothing but a mad man with his saber at this point. Anakin'd pwn him.

Moving away from Anakin, I just watched Luke going phsyco, and he has no great saber skill.

WTF? If you think C-3PO and Padme could beat Luke because they also survived the battle of Geonosis, you are an anti-Luke fanboy. Surviving that battle isn't very impressive.

How about you watch the sequence where Luke continually uses his lightsaber as a sledgehammer against Vader, Glentract?

What skill! It only took him about five full seconds to realize that hacking off Vader's hand would be more effective than beating on his lightsaber!

If using a sledge hammer against Vader worked, then it worked. Nothing more can be said on the matter, except that regular PT Jedi styles failed miserably when fighting Vader because they lacked the power to stop him from killing them. Luke's style had a huge amount of power because he used it like a baseball bat or sledge hammer or whatever you want to call it. I don't see why one minute people are complaining because Luke had the power behind his strikes to down Vader and then complain about him using his lightsaber like a sledge hammer, but then forget that using his lightsaber like a sledge hammer was what allowed Luke to down Vader.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Janus and others, I never said Luke would beat Malak or anything like that.

You said he was last a long time. This is laughable. Also, you said that Anakin would last more like an afterthought, even though AOTC Anakin is the greater threat here. You then went on to tell someone to "accept" that Luke is "Just that good". This is also laughable.

That would put me on par with LS in fanboysim for sure. I never said he is better then ROTS Anakin either.

Neither did we. Where did this come from?

I said he'd last longer because he wouldn't try to fight Malak because he is much more calm and reserved then Anakin was. I don't know why me saying that gets all guns firing.

Cuz the idea of him lasting more than five seconds is ridiculous. He has no major skill. I did a COMPLETE analysis of the ROTJ fight not three weeks ago on DTF, Glentract. I am not arguing from ignorance.

Yes, Luke is better then AOTC Anakin, Janus. If I knew how to get clips from the OT, I'd show some and you would see that the fighting is probably a lot better then you remember. Since I can't, just go watch the fights again and then honestly tell me that Luke is worse then AOTC Anakin.

See my above point, Glentract. You're trying to make it seem like I'm a Luke hater and I haven't seen the films in forever. You're wrong on both counts. I like Luke as a character (Though I feel later EU ruined him) and I watched ESB and ROTJ and within a few hours wrote up an analysis of both end fight scenes again, at DTF. You read it and replied, Glentract. You're wrong. Unless you can pull some amazing proof out of your ass, you have nothing.

Or the mere fact that Vader took a dive allowed Luke to "down" Vader.

Vader lifts people off the ground with one hand. He's not going to be downed legitimately by Luke "I can do a Pushup!" Skywalker.

By the way... what style was it that Luke was using, hm?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
WTF? If you think C-3PO and Padme could beat Luke because they also survived the battle of Geonosis, you are an anti-Luke fanboy. Surviving that battle isn't very impressive.