Anakin and Luke Skywalker(ROTS&ROTJ) Vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by Wesker
You said he was last a long time. This is laughable. Also, you said that Anakin would last more like an afterthought, even though AOTC Anakin is the greater threat here. You then went on to tell someone to "accept" that Luke is "Just that good". This is also laughable.

"Eh, Malak wins. Luke would last a pretty long time, I think. Anakin would probably charge in and get pwned, but Luke is much to calm for that."

Did I said Luke would last a long time against Malak if he charged in and tried to kill him with his saber? No, I said that Luke would last a pretty long time by not fighting but instead staying back because he is smart enough to know he is outmatched and, as we saw in ROTJ, not to big on fighting to begin with.

Originally posted by Wesker
Neither did we. Where did this come from?

I was just making it clear that I hadn't made any claim to that.

Originally posted by Wesker
Cuz the idea of him lasting more than five seconds is ridiculous. He has no major skill. I did a COMPLETE analysis of the ROTJ fight not three weeks ago on DTF, Glentract. I am not arguing from ignorance.

Where is this complete analysis? Can you give a link to the thread or at least what forum area? And again, I said Luke would survive longer then Anakin by being smart enough not to charge in, instead staying bavk for six seconds, then fighting and dying just to make the people who said he wouldn't last five seconds mad. No, not really just to make people who say he wouldn't last five seconds mad, but because Luke wouldn't just charge into the fray, that idea is totally out of character.

Originally posted by Wesker
See my above point, Glentract. You're trying to make it seem like I'm a Luke hater and I haven't seen the films in forever. You're wrong on both counts. I like Luke as a character (Though I feel later EU ruined him) and I watched ESB and ROTJ and within a few hours wrote up an analysis of both end fight scenes again, at DTF. You read it and replied, Glentract. You're wrong. Unless you can pull some amazing proof out of your ass, you have nothing.

Again, I ask how I can get clips that I could post. I'll write up a case after I have had time to look at what you wrote at DTF.

Originally posted by IKC
By the way... what style was it that Luke was using, hm?

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
The reason Padme survived was because she hid behind Anakin in an overturned chariot. The reason C-3PO survived was because Fisto force pushed him. Actually, surviving Geonosis is quite impressive.

No, it isn't. Over 100,000 Clonetroopers did it. The same clonetroopers that got pwned in the OT. Plus, I could argue that ROTJ Luke survived Yavin, Hoth, and the mutiple battles in Shadows of the Empire. It only leads us to use of feats that don't help either side.

I don't have the link to DTF here, let alone the exact thread. It's in the SW Eu section, and besides, the links to DTF don't work here.

You did read it and reply, I remember. If you want clips, you can get the OT DVDs and get PowerDVD, take stills with Image Capture.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
No, it isn't. Over 100,000 Clonetroopers did it. The same clonetroopers that got pwned in the OT. Plus, I could argue that ROTJ Luke survived Yavin, Hoth, and the mutiple battles in Shadows of the Empire. It only leads us to use of feats that don't help either side.

Padme survived the battle because she had jedi knights protecting her. The droids survived because they were not priority targets.

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
The reason most clone troopers survived is because they are superior to droids, and they far outnumbered the droids. Also, hundreds of clone troopers actually DID DIE. It amazes me that you think surviving Geonosis is unimpressive. If Luke were in that battle he would have died.

I doubt Anakin was still a priority target once Mace Windu and other Council Member Jedi showed up. And the droids actually outnumbered the clones 5 to 1 if I remember correctly(there were over a million droids and 196,000 Clone Troopers).

If Luke were in that battle he would have died.

Totaly unfounded. We've seen Luke survive fights where there was a higher ratio of bad guys with guns to good guys with guns then Anakin such as the Sail Barge.

You are all asking Glentract for proof of why he thinks Luke is good(so do I). Well, where is your proof that he sucks?

Exactly

Originally posted by mace=badass
You are all asking Glentract for proof of why he thinks Luke is good(so do I). Well, where is your proof that he sucks?

Actually, we have to prove that Luke is good before they need to argue that Luke is bad. Ozcam's Razor or something like that.

Totaly unfounded. We've seen Luke survive fights where there was a higher ratio of bad guys with guns to good guys with guns then Anakin such as the Sail Barge.

You mean the five guys who were on the deck of the barge who are just hired goons? Yeah, they were efficient battledroid equivalents, Glentract. They didn't kill a single enemy. And regardless of what you've said in the past, there is NOT fifty guys or even twenty on the top of that barge. And no, Luke's blaster deflection is barely adequate. He would get DESTROYED at Geonosis.

Originally posted by mace=badass
You are all asking Glentract for proof of why he thinks Luke is good(so do I). Well, where is your proof that he sucks?

The evidence shown leads the majority to believe, via logos, that Luke is a weak fighter at best. You few, who are the minority, are offering a different assertion. You must prove up. So far, no proof has come forward that has held at all. Therefore, there is no reason for us to think that Luke > AOTC Anakin or anyone else of the PT jedi order, and lots of reasons why we should think he needs LOTS of training before he can even contest.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Totaly unfounded. We've seen Luke survive fights where there was a higher ratio of bad guys with guns to good guys with guns then Anakin such as the Sail Barge.

Yea well luke got to make out with his sister.. Beat that

You guys say Luke has bad form because he beat on Vader like his lightsaber was a baseball bat, and how hw has no skill for it. Well, how much skill CW Anakin had for doing the same to Asajj.

I wouldn't be proud of incest.

Originally posted by mace=badass
You guys say Luke has bad form because he beat on Vader like his lightsaber was a baseball bat, and how hw has no skill for it. Well, how much skill CW Anakin had for doing the same to Asajj.

Actually, his skill in ROTJ is minimally better than what he had in ESB, and in ESB Vader easily beat his guard many times in the first part of the battle, where he was going easy on him. Then, in the hallway, Vader goes a little more psycho; reckless, but dangerous. Luke falls like a house of cards, scrambles all over, barely keeps his head on. He manages to tag Vader's shoulder but Vader says "All bets are off" and hacks his arm off. QED.

Meanwhile, in ROTJ, Luke's greatest accomplishment was kicking Vader in the chest and still having a limb afterwards. Otherwise, his saber skills in this match are basic at best. THAT is why he's not that good. Not because he isn't uber flashy but because his form is incomplete and poor. He did not outwit or outfight Vader; he simply hammered away at him and Vader fell back on one knee in a move that is so damn contrived it makes me want to laugh.

Anakin, meanwhile, is a very proficient dueller even as of AOTC. He hung for a bit with Dooku, who would school Vader in five seconds, and as seen in the animation on the last page, can fight much faster and with more precision and better footwork than Luke can, period.

Therefore, Luke has no complete or worthwhile form. His defense is poor and his offense is poor. He dies. Luke < Any PT Jedi knight or master.

Hey age is just a number and sister is just a title..

Anakin was actually very accomplished when he fought Asajj.