Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are contradicting yourself.
No I am not.
I am just finding it difficult to say what I mean...
Evil is a force.
Satan is a being who happens to be evil.
Satan did not create evil and does not control evil, however he is the one who did the first evil act and he is the one who largely controls the "evils" of the world. However, if he were to die evil could still exist without him.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
No I am not.I am just finding it difficult to say what I mean...
Evil is a force.
Satan is a being who happens to be evil.
Satan did not create evil and does not control evil, however he is the one who did the first evil act and he is the one who largely controls the "evils" of the world. However, if he were to die evil could still exist without him.
So, if you don't believe that evil is a person, then why do you believe that hell is a place?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Are you...are you being serious?Satan doesn't control hell...as I said evil would exist without him, so would hell.
But you have been able to free yourself of the "Satan is evil" concept, why not go further and realize that hell is also not a place, but a state of mind?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you have been able to free yourself of the "Satan is evil" concept, why not go further and realize that hell is also not a place, but a state of mind?
Why can't I realize it is not a place?
I could just as easily ask you why you can't realize it is.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Evil as a force still exists, I don't know anyone who believes Satan is evil...perhaps a personification but not the be all and end all of it.Why can't I realize it is not a place?
I could just as easily ask you why you can't realize it is.
Because believing that hell is a place is equal to thinking that evil is a person. It is the simplification of complex ideas in order to fit within the human imagination.
Originally posted by lord xyz
That doesn't surprise me.
Well, it really shouldn't...the Catholic bit gave it away.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because believing that hell is a place is equal to thinking that evil is a person. It is the simplification of complex ideas in order to fit within the human imagination.
In your opinion...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are proving my point. If you think that Uncle Sam is a person then you are only seeing the icon and missing the point.
That doesn't prove your point. Your logic is:
Devil doesn't exist therefore Hell doesn't exist.
Uncle Sam doesn't exist, therefore USA doesn't exist.
However, we know that the USA does exist regardless of Uncle Sam's existence or non-existence.
They are not dependent on each other...
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
That doesn't prove your point. Your logic is:Devil doesn't exist therefore Hell doesn't exist.
Uncle Sam doesn't exist, therefore USA doesn't exist.However, we know that the USA does exist regardless of Uncle Sam's existence or non-existence.
They are not dependent on each other...
No, that is not my logic.
The concept of evil being a person is an icon of the concept of evil. This is also true for the concept of hell being an icon for suffering. If you can see past the icon of evil, then you should be able to see past the icon of hell. It would be like: if you can see that Uncle Sam is an icon for the America people, then you should be able to see that Santa Clause is an icon for giving.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
But that logic only works if you understand Satan and Hell as an ICON for those things, I don't.I believe its a person and a place, totally independent of each other.
But you understand that one of them is an icon, and I congratulate you on that. Why is it so difficult for you to see that hell is also an icon?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
However, I am not.You can be the head of evil, but not be evil itself.
So, now evil is a cooperation. 😆
Evil is not a thing; evil is an action. Satan is the icon that represents the personification of the actions of evil, because it is difficult for the human mind to see something as not a thing.