Your version of heaven and hell

Good idea of a thread this.

Heaven:- I think Ive been there during an OBE. I can´t imagine any place or experience can exceed the total harmony, and wonderfulness I experienced there, absolutely indescribable. Pure energy, no time total warmth and harmony. I crave to be able to experience this again. And no I wasn´t on drugs, drugs can´t do this.

Hell:- Doesn´t exist, anyone who believes in a loving god knows a loving god wouldn´t create such a place. Only sick humans trying to scare people to join their church or religious movement could bring up such horrors.

Those who arn´t fit to exist will cease to exist, not suffer forever

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Good idea of a thread this.

Heaven:- I think Ive been there during an OBE. I can´t imagine any place or experience can exceed the total harmony, and wonderfulness I experienced there, absolutely indescribable. Pure energy, no time total warmth and harmony. I crave to be able to experience this again. And no I wasn´t on drugs, drugs can´t do this.

Hell:- Doesn´t exist, anyone who believes in a loving god knows a loving god wouldn´t create such a place. Only sick humans trying to scare people to join their church or religious movement could bring up such horrors.

Those who arn´t fit to exist will cease to exist, not suffer forever

If I put you in a box that is only big enough for you to sit, and then not give you food or water for days, you will experience hell. Therefore, hell does exist.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I don't know Zeus is not real...

I would be skeptical that they really believed in the Greek Gods, given the fact that they have not been worshiped for centuries, in the same way that I am skeptical of "wiccans". Are they really believers or are they just claiming to be?

However, I do not know that their beliefs (if they have them) are not true, I just believe they are not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If I put you in a box that is only big enough for you to sit, and then not give you food or water for days, you will experience hell. Therefore, hell does exist.

I'd call that isolation and dehydration...

you've been to Hell and can accurately describe its subjective feeling?

Shakya's a Buddhist and he doesn't call Hell a place or something, to him it's a state of mind.

Originally posted by inimalist
I'd call that isolation and dehydration...

you've been to Hell and can accurately describe its subjective feeling?

Hell is a state of mind. The physical place called hell in the bible does not exist. If you think that hell is a place then show proof that it exists.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Wyh believe they are not? What makes those beliefs different?

The same thing that makes you not believe in what I believe in.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hell is a state of mind. The physical place called hell in the bible does not exist. If you think that hell is a place then show proof that it exists.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The same thing that makes you not believe in what I believe in.

Show proof that Alpha Centuri exists.

Hmm, nah that doesn't do it for me...its just a dot. It could be anything.

2 fantasy, made up places with unicorns and satyrs.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Hmm, nah that doesn't do it for me...its just a dot. It could be anything.

It's a long ways away. Show me a photo of hell, and you can use the same standard that I used.

Alpha Centuri is a real place, but hell is not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It's a long ways away. Show me a photo of hell, and you can use the same standard that I used.

Alpha Centuri is a real place, but hell is not.

Hell is a place to which none of us have ever been to take a photo of...

your photo, if thats what it was...is not reliable.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Hell is a place to which none of us have ever been to take a photo of...

your photo, if thats what it was...is not reliable.

😱 You don't believe in photos of space? 😆

If no one has ever been to hell, then how do you know it exists?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😱 You don't believe in photos of space? 😆

He clearly believe the image you showed him exists, you just can't prove that it actually shows Alpha Centuri.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If no one has ever been to hell, then how do you know it exists?

No one's ever been to Alpha Centuri either.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He clearly believe the image you showed him exists, you just can't prove that it actually shows Alpha Centuri.

No one's ever been to Alpha Centuri either.

But Alpha Centuri is a star that we named. We don't have to go there to see that it exists. I would be happy with that low of evadence for hell.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But Alpha Centuri is a star that we named.

Hell is a place that Christians named.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We don't have to go there to see that it exists. I would be happy with that low of evadence for hell.

I'm sure you would.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Hmm, nah that doesn't do it for me...its just a dot. It could be anything.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Hell is a place that Christians named.

I'm sure you would.

Then give me some evidence. Anything will do. I am trying to lower the bar as far as I can. The reason is because I don't think anyone can provide any evidence for hell. So, prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Hmm, nah that doesn't do it for me...its just a dot. It could be anything.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The same thing that makes you not believe in what I believe in.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then give me some evidence. Anything will do. I am trying to lower the bar as far as I can. The reason is because I don't think anyone can provide any evidence for hell. So, prove me wrong.

I agree. I'd also point out: so what?