Originally posted by Sado22
he took hits from Tua? all i seem to remember is Lennox running away like a biatch and Tua being too fat to actually chase after him. any time Tua got in close all i remember is Lennox clinching. the one time Tua managed to graze him with the left, Lennox was dazed.
0:39 - not a proper tua-hook. lennox was already moving back and took it more in the mouth than he did at the chin. still, he practically fell to the ropes and was saved by the bell.
0:52 - graze. still wobbled.
1:01 - clean straight, wobbled, clinched like a biatch..didn't break hold for several seconds
1:14 - one-two, wobbled badly
1:21 - wobbled again
1:50 - clean hit, wobbles, clinches
i stopped after that but still, i see your point. maybe his chin wasn't as bad as i made it sound, but the fact that's wobbling with one hits shows that he's got a weak chin. like Michael Roach said, "he's good but he's got some glass in that jaw of his"
Originally posted by Sado22
0:39 - not a proper tua-hook. lennox was already moving back and took it more in the mouth than he did at the chin. still, he practically fell to the ropes and was saved by the bell.
0:52 - graze. still wobbled.
1:01 - clean straight, wobbled, clinched like a biatch..didn't break hold for several seconds
1:14 - one-two, wobbled badly
1:21 - wobbled again
1:50 - clean hit, wobbles, clinchesi stopped after that but still, i see your point. maybe his chin wasn't as bad as i made it sound, but the fact that's wobbling with one hits shows that he's got a weak chin. like Michael Roach said, "he's good but he's got some glass in that jaw of his"
most fighters would wobble after any decent connection. It's the fact that he recovers almost instantly though. The fight against Shannon Briggs is an example...He took a massive couple of punches...Dropped his guard...Took another and then looked at Briggs and then dropped him.
Originally posted by jaden101Holyfield was not the norm though. I dont even like him like that but he was always in shape and new the fundamentals even out of his prime. Good fighters but damn a lot of them had no bounce- back after a loss.
I don't think it was as bad as you're making it out. There was some fighters then that if they were in their prime now they would easily be champion.Ruddock, Bowe, McCall, Holyfield, Tyson, Morrison, Tucker, Hide, Tua.
Who is their now?...The Klitchko's and the big freak Valuev.
The sad thing is looking to the future there's very few who even look promising.
Dennis Boytsov (only 23 years old yet is 25-0)
Andrzej Wawrzyk
Oleg Platov
Roman GreenbergThat's about it.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Holyfield was not the norm though. I dont even like him like that but he was always in shape and new the fundamentals even out of his prime. Good fighters but damn a lot of them had no bounce- back after a loss.
Bowe -peaked to quick on cake and ice cream
Tua- Once shown as one dimensional he was done. I was done with tua when I saw the bryd fight with him.
McCall- he wasn't the same after what ever the hell happened in the ring with lennox lewis.
Tommy Morrison- once his jaw was exposed he was done. His jaw was aweful, getting koed by featherfisted fighters.
Tyson- Dont need to explain this one.
Tucker and hide came off as journey to me.
Dont remember too much on ruddocks career except for the tyson, and lewis fights.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they were great fighters...But they are far better than 99% of the fighters in the heavyweight division now.
Originally posted by Sado22
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do you guys realize how bad our conversation is making the current guys sound? the whole conversation is me huey saying how bad the 90's sucked and jaden going "you thought that was bad! look at these m0therfvcker!"heavy weight boxing is seeing some sad, sad days 🙁
😆 It'd be funny if it weren't true. I'm at the stage where I genuinely think I could step into the ring with a modern heavyweight as last at least a couple of rounds.
Just finished watching a couple of manny and cotto fights and honestly I think Manny is in a lot of trouble. This will be Manny's first true welter weight test and cotto hits hard even for welterweights. If manny gets caught (which is very likely) he will be in a lot of trouble. Cotto really hasn't had any issues with his chin at 147, it was at junior welterweight that he had the most problems. I' am iffy on the 145 weight limit but if roach is smart he'll focus on mannys defense. Cotto has dropped true welter weights with grazing blows and his jab is stiff enough to keep speed fighters away ala judah and mosley. The more I watch and the more I think about it, this seems a little bit of a mismatch. I may be wrong since I am assuming cotto comes in the way he was before the margarito fight.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Just finished watching a couple of manny and cotto fights and honestly I think Manny is in a lot of trouble. This will be Manny's first true welter weight test and cotto hits hard even for welterweights. If manny gets caught (which is very likely) he will be in a lot of trouble. Cotto really hasn't had any issues with his chin at 147, it was at junior welterweight that he had the most problems. I' am iffy on the 145 weight limit but if roach is smart he'll focus on mannys defense. Cotto has dropped true welter weights with grazing blows and his jab is stiff enough to keep speed fighters away ala judah and mosley. The more I watch and the more I think about it, this seems a little bit of a mismatch. I may be wrong since I am assuming cotto comes in the way he was before the margarito fight.
This is what I like about this division. It's got the rock, paper, scissors aspect to it.
Mosley beat Margarito. Margarito beat Cotto, Cotto beat Mosley.
I do agree though. Stepping up to the 147 (or 145 limit) division in such a short period of time might be his undoing. Time will tell though. Hopefully it'll be a great fight.
you know, the thing with Cotto/Tony is that lots of people are bringing up that thing with the plaster in tony's wraps. that may or may not be true, but the fact is for 11 rounds Tony took Cotto's best shots. to me it seemed like Tony overwhelmed Cotto by staying close to him and trading shots with him. remember the when Cotto landed a clean hook on Tony and Tony just smiled at him? that's pretty much what he did the entire time: took his blows, remained unphased and staying on the inside...totally demoralized Cotto. iirc, cotto spent most of the fight (especially later rounds) fighting near the ropes.
of course Cotto fans point out that he was overwhelemd because of tony's blows that were hurting him more than he expected. plausble, but its still no excuse for Cotto not being able to drop Tony.
Its going to be a good fight though. I want Cotto to win of course.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22I think it had to do with the style more than anything else. When cotto and margarito traded cotto would catch him with one good shot and then he would move around to a different position(letting margarito regain composure). Mosley had to win by chopping him down blow by blow and never giving him a chance to get his head together.
you know, the thing with Cotto/Tony is that lots of people are bringing up that thing with the plaster in tony's wraps. that may or may not be true, but the fact is for 11 rounds Tony took Cotto's best shots. to me it seemed like Tony overwhelmed Cotto by staying close to him and trading shots with him. remember the when Cotto landed a clean hook on Tony and Tony just smiled at him? that's pretty much what he did the entire time: took his blows, remained unphased and staying on the inside...totally demoralized Cotto. iirc, cotto spent most of the fight (especially later rounds) fighting near the ropes.of course Cotto fans point out that he was overwhelemd because of tony's blows that were hurting him more than he expected. plausble, but its still no excuse for Cotto not being able to drop Tony.
Its going to be a good fight though. I want Cotto to win of course.
~Sado
the more i think about it, the more i think about it the cotto/tony fight looks weird. cotto was stronger, had fought tougher opponents, beaten people who had beaten tony, had the perfect fighting style to fight someone like tony but instead tony seemed stronger in the fight, and tougher and cotto never really stepped in to finish him off....something cotto did in all his previous fights but didn't in this one.
so phucking weird.
Originally posted by Sado22Your right. He never let his fits go on him. He tried to stick and move the entire fight. We know that wont happen with manny. He will be the aggressor but so will manny. He will have to hurt manny early or else manny wont respect his power. If he counters Manny with anything close to what marquez did, mannys done.
the more i think about it, the more i think about it the cotto/tony fight looks weird. cotto was stronger, had fought tougher opponents, beaten people who had beaten tony, had the perfect fighting style to fight someone like tony but instead tony seemed stronger in the fight, and tougher and cotto never really stepped in to finish him off....something cotto did in all his previous fights but didn't in this one.so phucking weird.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Your right. He never let his fits go on him. He tried to stick and move the entire fight. We know that wont happen with manny. He will be the aggressor but so will manny. He will have to hurt manny early or else manny wont respect his power. If he counters Manny with anything close to what marquez did, mannys done.
Why?...It didn't work for Marquez.
A draw and a loss (albeit one of the closest split desicions you'll ever see)...That was a brilliant fight though. If the Cotto/Manny fight is anything close to that I won't be disappointed.
Originally posted by jaden101Watch the match. Manny's legs buckled when he got hit with the counter He was literally out on his feet 2-3 times. Marquez just let him get back into the fight. If cotto gets that same opportunity, theirs no doubt in my mind he will lay manny out on the slab.
Why?...It didn't work for Marquez.A draw and a loss (albeit one of the closest split desicions you'll ever see)...That was a brilliant fight though. If the Cotto/Manny fight is anything close to that I won't be disappointed.