Originally posted by Diunic
S.O.W. is no hero, he's a nigh omnipotent cosmic guy that once even created a pocket universe. It's a very good match!!!
BTW, Kyle created a pocket universe before he had even fully absorbed the power of Oa. Pocket universes aren't that high up on the scale, relatively. Captain Atom created full size universes with their own Spectre's.
Originally posted by Pepito
Ion has a personality (namely Kyle's), while Shaper's major trait is not having one. If you have a human personality, you can be fooled.
Originally posted by The Ion
Of course however theres a gigantic difference between fooling Captain America and fooling a guy who borders on being abstract. Eternity has a personality. Would he be fooled by Shaper?
Since when did Eternity have a personality? And anything false Beyonder was capable of, SoW could manifest.
Originally posted by The Ion
Of course however theres a gigantic difference between fooling Captain America and fooling a guy who borders on being abstract. Eternity has a personality. Would he be fooled by Shaper?
Ion has a human personality, a human channeling a degree Eternity's power might be fooled. Ion is much weaker than Eternity. Perhaps Ion without kyle's personality and if he could use the same power without a host could win (although he is only as abstract as any other really powerful being, to be abstract you need to be a representation of something - Ion is abstract to the same extent that Batman is the abstract representation of a crimefighter named Bruce Wayne with a brilliant rec room)
Originally posted by Pepito
Ion has a [B]human personality, a human channeling a degree Eternity's power might be fooled. Ion is much weaker than Eternity. Perhaps Ion without kyle's personality and if he could use the same power without a host could win (although he is only as abstract as any other really powerful being, to be abstract you need to be a representation of something - Ion is abstract to the same extent that Batman is the abstract representation of a crimefighter named Bruce Wayne with a brilliant rec room) [/B]
Originally posted by The Ion
How would Ion be considered weaker than Eternity? His power, that of Oa, is a direct manifestation of willpower gathered from every living creature in the DC multiverse. I'd say the scope of his powers go far beyond Eternity who himself has been humbled on multiple occasions.
Just because marvel actually allow their omnipotent characters to do something interesting instead of just restarting the universe every time the writers dig themselves into a hole does not mena that the ultimate represntation of the universe is weaker than a giant battery. Eternity is never really beaten and can't be because he exists in whatever defeats him- if a dc character attacks him they enter his realm of being and so they become part of him. Ion cannot destroy everything (which is basically Eternity) and so is weaker than Eternity. Eternity is humbled but never defeated, if he exercises his full power then he can ensure nothing ever happens. He can be humbled in the same way that Zeus in greek myhtology can be humiliated by humans to the extent that he decides not to destroy them due to his respect. Ion isn't humbled because a) he's not important and powerful enough for it to matter b) he's never in a situation where he faces a serious enemy and c) because he's not the most powerful thing in the universe, tiny defeats don't count as humblings, they are just defeats as he ahs nothing to live up to.
Ion would defeat The SOWs but he isn't more powerful than Eternity, i'd say. Extremely Powerful, though. Ion is a universal being, and as such, is part of the universe which happens to be Eternity. Ion, you once said that Precrisis Darkseid is >>> Ion, yet precrisis DS was stated by his creator to be equal to Galactus, who is equal in status with Eternity. Have your views changed??
Originally posted by UniOmni
Ion would defeat The SOWs but he isn't more powerful than Eternity, i'd say. Extremely Powerful, though. Ion is a universal being, and as such, is part of the universe which happens to be Eternity. Ion, you once said that Precrisis Darkseid is >>> Ion, yet precrisis DS was stated by his creator to be equal to Galactus, who is equal in status with Eternity. Have your views changed??
Then again DS and Galactus are both above Shaper so it doesn't matter much.
if parallax could rewrite the universe and fight spectre i put him on a higher petestole then eternity and i do believe he is more powerful and i do believe ion is more powerful or at least as powerful as parallax since they have the same power source. Eternity has been defeated by the IG and had been put into a coma somehow by the mechenations of the mages and he does have a personality when korvac scanned the universe and saw eternity he said he was arrogent and even if he would sense korvac he wouldnt care in the trial of adam warlock he had a personality or else he wouldnt be greedy for the gems and the LT had the emotion of doubt meaning he had a personality kyle rayner would defeat eternity with relative ease with his amount of power and since he can be everywere at once he might be able to see through the illusion and the illusions dont last forever anyway.