Ion vs. Shaper of Worlds

Originally posted by Juntai
Might want to check your wording.

However written in stone it may be, Spectre is a piece of god, and that is something Eternity could never mess with. The Logoz exists even without the universe/multiverse. Even Eternity's presumed importance regardless of crappy on panel portrayals[e.g; jobbing, etc.] is outclassed by those facts.

Almost every cosmic character is jobbed, it's practically their hobby. Jobbing for characters as enigmatic and beyond as Eternity (who need Anthropomorpho to make bodies for them to manifest themselves) should be as legitimate as in actual comics because there has never been the Eternity Unlimited comic. He could have any reason to not use his full power in the comics but marvel ' mythology' states he is the universe so he must logically be just as powerful as the contents of the universe. Often there is a much purer representation in descritpions of characters than in comics where writers and the necessities for plotting vary. Eternity, as the universe/multiverse, is just as much a crony of marvel TOAA as Spectre is of dc god. Plus Eternity's stats on basically every profiler are higher than Spectre's.

ps in the Korvac saga in what if? When Korvac annihilates a universe and Tribunal seals it off, a part of Eternity remains even when he, for that universe, is erased.

Spectre has stats?

Mais Oui. http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/spectre.htm

Originally posted by Pepito
Almost every cosmic character is jobbed, it's practically their hobby. Jobbing for characters as enigmatic and beyond as Eternity (who need Anthropomorpho to make bodies for them to manifest themselves) should be as legitimate as in actual comics because there has never been the Eternity Unlimited comic. He could have any reason to not use his full power in the comics but marvel ' mythology' states he is the universe so he must logically be just as powerful as the contents of the universe. Often there is a much purer representation in descritpions of characters than in comics where writers and the necessities for plotting vary. Eternity, as the universe/multiverse, is just as much a crony of marvel TOAA as Spectre is of dc god. Plus Eternity's stats on basically every profiler are higher than Spectre's.

ps in the Korvac saga in what if? When Korvac annihilates a universe and Tribunal seals it off, a part of Eternity remains even when he, for that universe, is erased.

How?

Originally posted by Pepito
How?

How does Spectre, a part of Logoz only needed for matters in the multiverse, remain when Eternity, representation of whole universe (a part of TOAA in other words) and needed to exist in some dormant way to make a new universe, does not?

Originally posted by Pepito
How does Spectre, a part of Logoz only needed for matters in the multiverse, remain when Eternity, representation of whole universe (a part of TOAA in other words) and needed to exist in some dormant way to make a new universe, does not?

We know that Spectre is The Logoz and is the hand of god. We know that Logoz existed before creation of the multiverse, as we know Spectre can hold all of his creation in his hands. We know that God exists without creation, but not the other way around.

for your info there is more then one eternity each universe has an eternity he isnt the sum of the multiverse just one universe, eternity has died more then once had has even been made comatose by korvac, and his power is below the infinity gems if his powers were above the IG why would he want them? and why would Warlock treat him like such a nobody with the IG he has been trapped in the nightmare dimension as well as been stalemated for a short time by dormammu, spectre has recreated the multiverse many times this is a good speculation since he had to recreate the multiverse when the anti-monitor was destroying the DCU it was spectre who fixed everything same thing as in zero hour and after parallax messed with the universe, and phoenix is greater then LT its already been proven in comics that Phoenix creates the universe and is at the base of the nexus of all reality of the omniverse he was shown to create the universe and replace all the abstracts and be higher then LT who said that Phoenix could do this pepito........why ETERNITY HIMSELF!

eternity has been treated like nobody by people in himself as well as people like the infinites and krona

Originally posted by Mider
eternity has been treated like nobody by people in himself as well as people like the infinites and krona

Eternity Proper is all universal energy throughout multiverse (each Eternity is part of a whole, this main Eternity is what recreated Galactus in The End) and even a single Eternity would not have been beaten by Dormammu without his own reasons as all the energy Dormammu was using was part of single Eternity. Due to conservation of everything you can't actually damgae Eternity, just change part of him and single Eternity is anything in the universe plus everything else. Dormammu is made out of Eternity, attacks with Eternity and exists within Eternity. Eternity cannot be harmed except by erasing a universe with Korvac in what if? level power (he'd abosrbed basically all of the universe) and technically he was only shuffling the energy about.

it doesnt matter his powers are not on par with Ion he can probably exist outside reality for all you know and so can Spectre probably

Originally posted by Mider
it doesnt matter his powers are not on par with Ion he can probably exist outside reality for all you know and so can Spectre probably

Now you're just whining - nothing exists outisde existence, that's why it's called existence

Originally posted by Pepito
Now you're just whining - nothing exists outisde existence, that's why it's called existence

Originally posted by Pepito
Now you're just whining - nothing exists outisde existence, that's why it's called existence

Originally posted by The Ion
No but they can exist outside a certain level of creation.

Yes and Eternity is all levels of creation. At least in marvel he is.

But it is still an existence. Have a look the dictionary!!!!

there are beings who can live with out eternity the beyonders are some beings.

Originally posted by Diunic
But it is still an existence. Have a look the dictionary!!!!