DN Luke vs Exar Kun

Started by Wesker13 pages

Wookieepedia has been known to make unsupported assumptions though. Check the lightsaber forms.

Sith alchemy is not a form of Sith magic. As we see in TOTJ, it involves a process that uses some form of technology that takes and twists the shapes of living beings. Kun did it to massassi priest Zythmnr.

So, you've failed to prove he practiced Sith magic. Good for him that may have had alchemy. Wookiepedia isn't the greatest source, nor is it anywhere near canon.

What do you mean, "may have used alchemy"? What do you call the Chrysalihide(spelling?) beast? What did Exar do that was Sith Magic that doesn't qualify as alchemy?

Freezing the senate is described as a Sith spell, Glentract.

Alchemy = creating beasts.

Magic = not creating beasts.

There's a difference, see if you can spot it.

Ah, so Joruus suddenly knows Sith Magic. Well, that makes a lot more sense now. Let me add another side to my question, other then making swords, when did the actual Sith ever use Sith Magic?

Joruus' ability is never described as Sith magic. He didn't do what Kun did. It's described as battle meditation.

Sith magic was used in Naga Sadow's ship and, I assume, in his tangible illusions.

Joruus did what Exar did on the Senate to the people onboard he Chimera.

Are you talking about the star destroying ability? What makes the illusions Sadow made Sith Magic? I don't think Luke and Corran knew Sith Magic, yet they made illusions. Luke even made illusions to the point where he had almost made a fully functional ship.

No, even you described what he did to the Chimaera people as different in other debates.

Anyway, I'm only guessing with Sadow's illusions. They are impressive though, since he controlled armies attacking three different planets, 90% of which were said illusions.

The star destroying ability is described in dialogue as Sith magic.

Originally posted by Illustrious
Funny, I could just as easily say that about you and trolling 😉.

you could. But WOULD you?

No, even you described what he did to the Chimaera people as different in other debates.

That doesn't mean that it was automatically something different. Do we know that Exar used Magic while freezing the Senate? If so, then you may be right.

Anyway, I'm only guessing with Sadow's illusions. They are impressive though, since he controlled armies attacking three different planets, 90% of which were said illusions.

I don't see anything that would qualify them as Magic. Luke made illusions on nearly, if not a bigger scale.

I don't see anything that would qualify them as Magic. Luke made illusions on nearly, if not a bigger scale.

Naga Sadow says it himself that it is "forbidden" Sith Magic. I doubt Luke did it on a bigger scale; Naga Sadow singlehandedly created an entire armada of thousands of ships, all of them able to move through space like real ships, each of them dropped several drop pods, and perhaps millions of tangible illusions, who were able to push back the Jedi on Coruscant (and being close to taking the planet when he was betrayed), broke through on Cinnagar (which was well fortified after Teta unified her empire), and was doing well on a third.

Also, as for the star destruction, I'm not sure they were the same abilities. Sadow fired something that looks like lightning into one star, making it explode. He does something and "manipulates the solar flares" to a second star, taking out a large portion of Empress Teta's forces. Neither of these was "ripping the core" out of a star like Aleema did. So I do not believe it was ever established that Sadow used the ship per se, it certainly wasn't mentioned in FotSE.

Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedi
you could. But WOULD you?

Maybe 😉.

mmmmmm but thats a BIG maybe!!!

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People are still arguing with Kun fanboys

That doesn't mean that it was automatically something different. Do we know that Exar used Magic while freezing the Senate? If so, then you may be right.

The narrator says "Exar Kun's sith spell has worked perfectly."

We know it was magic.

I don't see anything that would qualify them as Magic. Luke made illusions on nearly, if not a bigger scale.

Illustrious answered this quite well. Scroll past the spam. 🙁

Originally posted by tdtd
People are still arguing with Kun fanboys. I am a troll.

Yes, you are.

Originally posted by IKC
Illustrious answered this quite well. Scroll past the spam. 🙁

its not spam. its art!

So i'm guessing nobody is going to answer my post... Okay

Yes I am a troll and you are a fanboy

Originally posted by Fishy
And thats exactly the point i'm trying to make.

You people say a million, I say can't be... And all of a sudden every gets mad at me.

I say Vodo wasn't the greatest martial Jedi of that time, and there is at least no prove for that and everybody gets mad at me.

I say that the amulets could have two completely different fucntions and could be two completely different amulets and everybody gets mad at me.

For what? I'm not trying to make Kun like a pussy, i'm not saying he will win or lose. I am simply saying that I do not agree with everything that is stated here. And I'm arguing against that..

This one? I would, but I agree with you.

Naga Sadow says it himself that it is "forbidden" Sith Magic. I doubt Luke did it on a bigger scale; Naga Sadow singlehandedly created an entire armada of thousands of ships, all of them able to move through space like real ships, each of them dropped several drop pods, and perhaps millions of tangible illusions, who were able to push back the Jedi on Coruscant (and being close to taking the planet when he was betrayed), broke through on Cinnagar (which was well fortified after Teta unified her empire), and was doing well on a third.

Luke was able to hide an entire planet from view eternally. Luke was also able to create a more or less functional ship with just the force. Other then the fact that you couldn't touch it, it was totally real. Even the exhaust would come out. That would be millions of tiny illusions. Now, I don't how detailed Naga's illusions were, but he needed his meditation sphere to do it, right? Luke was able to create his illusion down to the exhaust without any enhancing items.

This is very true Glentract, the question is does that diminish Naga Sadow's real power, or speaks volumes about Luke's..