Sadow, Revan and Malak versus Kun, Yoda and DE Sidious

Originally posted by IKC
By that logic, the Ebon Hawk should have been stranded forever on that planet. It wasn't. Your point collapses. QED.

Only problem with this stupid logic is that he got the shield codes for the Ebon Hawk... Oh yeah seems you forgot about that now didn't you.

Seemed to manage it just fine when he found it for the second time.

You lose. QED. Go to bed.

Only he travelled half way across the iland and found it near the temple of ancients..

Really dude stop making things up, stop lying and stop being so damned irritated. Revan simply could not have used a ship. QED.

Well it is POSSIBLE but highly HIGHLY unlikely.

How? Even if he found repairs he couldn't have started flying until after he got the codes...

Only problem with this stupid logic is that he got the shield codes for the Ebon Hawk... Oh yeah seems you forgot about that now didn't you.

Oh? So a freighter's shields can block the "zomg, uber powerful" energy field?

Then I guess the fleet that Revan commanded did the same. Capital ship shields, I gurantee you, are far stronger than the Ebon Hawk's. Ergo, it is likely that orbital bombardmant hit the primitives. QED.

Only he travelled half way across the iland and found it near the temple of ancients..

Found what? Parts to fix his ship? Yeah, because the place is so static that those are the only spare parts he could find on the entire planet, despite it's a graveyard of lost ships.

And what good would a defense shield that you could shoot though be?

Anyway, for the fight, I see the following happening.

Sadow takes Kun after a long fight.

DE Sidious takes Revan. DE Sidious is usually either overrated or underrated. His lightsaber skill is probably a fair bit better then it was in ROTS(if not from more knowledge and training, then from the fact that he has a better body at this point.). Sidious will defeat Revan with force powers.

Yoda takes Malak, and him and DE Sidious fight Sadow. Sadow probably would be able to win, depending on how much Malak weakened Yoda by and how much Exar weakened Sadow by.

Originally posted by IKC
[B]Oh? So a freighter's shields can block the "zomg, uber powerful" energy field?

Then I guess the fleet that Revan commanded did the same. Capital ship shields, I gurantee you, are far stronger than the Ebon Hawk's. Ergo, it is likely that orbital bombardmant hit the primitives. QED.

You really haven't played Kotor have you? And what idiot would find codes to his own ship on the temple of ancients?? Not to mention the fact that shields aren't knocked down by the planeterial shield... No Revan found codes to allow him to fly inside the shield that protects the planet and the Star Forge... Jesus how hard can it be to get that.

Found what? Parts to fix his ship? Yeah, because the place is so static that those are the only spare parts he could find on the entire planet, despite it's a graveyard of lost ships.

well that and the fact that the Tribe of the one and the elders try to claim the technology from the ships... and even if his ship could have been repaired, what good would it do seeing as he couldn't have flown it until he got the codes for the defensive shield that caused him to stay there, and he couldn't have gotten those codes without first fighting his way through Rakatan and Rancors with lightning from the sky.

Ergo he used force lightning the only other remaining option like I have told you a dozen times in the past QED.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
And what good would a defense shield that you could shoot though be?

Anyway, for the fight, I see the following happening.

Sadow takes Kun after a long fight.

DE Sidious takes Revan. DE Sidious is usually either overrated or underrated. His lightsaber skill is probably a fair bit better then it was in ROTS(if not from more knowledge and training, then from the fact that he has a better body at this point.). Sidious will defeat Revan with force powers.

Yoda takes Malak, and him and DE Sidious fight Sadow. Sadow probably would be able to win, depending on how much Malak weakened Yoda by and how much Exar weakened Sadow by.

Not going to argue the Yoda takes Malak thing now you can think what you want, but DE sidious what foce powers has he shown that he can use in a fight? I know jack shit about him, but really what has he done?

Oh, and even if the guns that Revan's ship used to fire at the Rakata planet were only 1% as powerful as a gun on an ISD, there would still be a fireball with a 1400 meter radius. This is all based off information from stardestroyer.net It rates that the average power from an ISD canon is 595 megatons. A 5.95 megaton nuke has a fire ball with a radius of 1400 meters according to the site.

In otherworlds, even if we assume that a ship can fire(which makes no sense as it defeats the purpose of the shield), even the years later that Revan came back there would have been massive craters. So, Fishy is right, it could not have been a ship.

Uh, who cares what Revan did to a bunch of primitives? How does this prove anything for a fight with other force users?

Or did the idea of substantiating not come into play in this discussion?

Originally posted by Wesker
Uh, who cares what Revan did to a bunch of primitives? How does this prove anything for a fight with other force users?

Or did the idea of substantiating not come into play in this discussion?

Not at all...

if you would go one or two pages back you would see that IKC said Revan didn't know force lightning I proved him wrong... thats what this debate was about. And knowing force lightning and having it powerful enough to destroy Rancors does mean something in a fight, especially if IKC so boldly claims that DE Sidious will destroy Revan because Revan doesn't even know attacks like that.

Ok so Yoda takes Malak that's agreed, supposedly DE Sidious takes Revan which is a hard one since anything with Revan is inconclusive and Sadow takes Kun.. So who wins

No, I said that the Force powers Revan knows are unknown. But I'm glad you've learned to read in your drunken stupor.

I've never seen anyone get so angry during a star wars debate...

Originally posted by Fishy
Not going to argue the Yoda takes Malak thing now you can think what you want, but DE sidious what foce powers has he shown that he can use in a fight? I know jack shit about him, but really what has he done?

I admit, I do have a bias towards Yoda. I don't think it's big enough to make my opinion bad though.

Anyway, Sidious has a massive control over the force at this time. His force storms were enough to destroy capital ships. If he put that in the form of a force push...

We also know that he was able to create these force storms on a anti-personnal scale. Luke was able to push one back on him, but from what I have heard, Luke had both Leia's and Anakin's force potential helping him. So assuming Leia has equal force potential to Luke and that Anakin is about three-quarters as strong(Anakin did seem to have the highest potential of the solo children), DE Luke was temporarily almost 3 times as powerful as normal. At his normal state, he was powerful enough to give Joruus a very hard time, who was able to control tens of thousands of minds for an extended period of time and even take over people's minds so forcefully that it would kill them(one of Thrawn's generals was killed by this).

I'll get more in a little, but I'm about to eat dinner.

Thrawn trilogies came after DE correct? And C'Baoth WAS a very powerful character, even though he was a clone.

The Thrawn trilogy came before DE.

Ah ok so Luke wasn't that much more powerful in those trilogies than he was in ROTJ..

Originally posted by IKC
No, I said that the Force powers Revan knows are unknown. But I'm glad you've learned to read in your drunken stupor.

You should do the same really

No, you've not argued and beaten shit. It is not impossible that it was the ship, it's more than likely that it was. You cannot prove shit from a single quote from a bunch of primitives.

As for choke, sure he can do that.

Drain is unfounded.

The first part is about the lightning, which we have been aruging about since then.. Okay thank you for paying attention to your own posts.

pwnd

How about you be consistant? I came in here saying what I just said: that Revan's powers are a big ****in' question mark.

No, everything for Revan is pure speculation. Prove he's on par with Sidious.

What force powers does he use, huh?

Asshat.