Sadow, Revan and Malak versus Kun, Yoda and DE Sidious

Originally posted by Wesker
Fishy, you are not with it lately.

Firstly, the appearance of the lightning is a gameplay mechanic. No one uses such lightning in a canonical appearance.

Secondly, the Ratakan did not likely have the ability to block Revan's communications.

Janus...

We know thats how Revan his lightning looked, the game shows it as such. Lightning coming from the sky.

secondly the Rakatan did have the ability as the shield did just that as proven with those quotes... So, whats the problem?

Why would the Rakata find a turbolaser so impressive? They are the ones who made the SW after all...

Thousands of years of forgetting technology would make it impressive, no doubt about that.

The turbolaser however doesn't look at like lightning, Revan his lightning does. The turbolasers would have been a stupid thing to use without knowledge of the planet, Revan his lightning however would be very likely to have been used if they were in a fight.

Originally posted by Fishy
Janus...

We know thats how Revan his lightning looked, the game shows it as such. Lightning coming from the sky.

secondly the Rakatan did have the ability as the shield did just that as proven with those quotes... So, whats the problem?

Apparently I wasn't clear enough...

1- The lightning, even if we assume it is level three, comes from his hand, not the sky. Just cuz it arcs down doesn't mean it's coming from the sky. If I throw a bomb and it arcs and comes down to blow you up, did I drop a bomb from the sky? No.

2- The shield was from the ancient structure which the Ratakan COULD NOT ENTER. They were not force users. They had no control over the shield. And I doubt they blocked communications with their whicker baskets. Most likely, Revan had communications access.

Originally posted by Wesker
Apparently I wasn't clear enough...

1- The lightning, even if we assume it is level three, comes from his hand, not the sky. Just cuz it arcs down doesn't mean it's coming from the sky. If I throw a bomb and it arcs and comes down to blow you up, did I drop a bomb from the sky? No.

2- The shield was from the ancient structure which the Ratakan COULD NOT ENTER. They were not force users. They had no control over the shield. And I doubt they blocked communications with their whicker baskets. Most likely, Revan had communications access.

1.) Great so you are arguing now, that the Rakatan were stupid enough not to know the difference between lightning and fire from a ship, but couldn't possible be stupid enough to think that Revan with his arm in the air could summon lightning from the sky, lightning that hit them later on?

2.) The shield blocked communications, unless you had the shield codes you couldn't fly and communicate, Revan couldn't communicate.

1. Reading comprehension is your friend.

2. Nonsense. More than two of us pointed out that the Sith blocked the transmission, not the shield.

How do we know that it was the Sith personally who were blocking the transmission? How would Carth know? Seems to me it may have been like Han saying the Imperial Starfleet coudn't destroy a planet.

Cuz there's no reason or explanation for the primitive Ratakan doing it. And their tech is ancient as hell and misunderstood. However, the Sith forces at the Star Forge had the tech, the means, and the reason to do so.

The Rakata are primitive? They had technology that was better then either the Republic or the Sith(until the Sith got the SF).

You know, maybe we are taking the entirely wrong approach to this. Perhaps Revan actually called lightning down from the sky. Real lightning from mothernature, like a force pull or something.

The Ratakan on the planet are backwater ignormuses with no force powers to speak of, and the idea of "force pulling" a bolt of lightning is ridiculous.

The Elders had some sort of enery shield protecting their base. Obviously they aren't just some backwater weaklings.

Uh, did you play KOTOR within the last two years?

The shield was generated by the temple. They could not enter the temple, since they were not major force users. They state as much in the game. Also, they have no reason or means shown to simply eliminate all communications in the area.

Janus, the point of the shield was so they could remain secret. Allowing people to send for help would not help them remain secret.

To quote you, Glentract...

Proof of this?

WTF? They didn't want contact with the outside people. That was obviously shown in KOTOR. They were afraid the people they used as slaves would want revenge against them.

I never saw that. Where was that stated?

Originally posted by Wesker
1. Reading comprehension is your friend.

2. Nonsense. More than two of us pointed out that the Sith blocked the transmission, not the shield.

1.) Then what are you claiming

2.) Read the quotes I provided, it clearly says the shield blocks the transmission...

Ok if ROTS Sids could use Force Lightning does it not stand to reason that Revan knew such a techneque? Dear Lord I guess Revan sucks then. He does know any Dark Side powers becuase we have never seen him use them oh nos! He's so weak that he cannot use force lightning!

See where I am going with this?

Originally posted by Veneficus
Ok if ROTS Sids could use Force Lightning does it not stand to reason that Revan knew such a techneque? Dear Lord I guess Revan sucks then. He does know any Dark Side powers becuase we have never seen him use them oh nos! He's so weak that he cannot use force lightning!

See where I am going with this?

Reading comprehension is your friend.

As far as canon is concerned, we don't know shit about what specific force techniques Revan knows. Why? Because only dialogue, FMVs, and the storyline in general are canon. Gameplay. Is. Not.

Originally posted by IKC
Reading comprehension is your friend.

As far as canon is concerned, we don't know shit about what specific force techniques Revan knows. Why? Because only dialogue, FMVs, and the storyline in general are canon. Gameplay. Is. Not.

And dialogue confirms he knows lightning, if that isn't good enough for you then logical deduction and assumptions should be allowed as they are in threads with TOTJ characters and he would still know lightning, and if that isn't good enough either then read through the thread and come up with one possible alternative for lightning.