Darth Vader vs. Bandon

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Are you sure about that? In KoToR II wasn't the Jedi Order basically destroyed? You're saying that just because they were trained during times of war makes them great, bah!

RTFS first before you spout grarbage. The Jedi were destoryed by a combination of Sion's Sith assassins and Darth's Nihilus force eating thing. Not very fair to say that suck becuase of that.

Dooku with the force lifted Obi-Wan off his feet using force choke and tossed him across the room. Never seen Revan do anything that compares to that.

*gasp* zOMG! He forced choked and tossed someone across the room wow what a uber acomplishment! I bet Revan could never do that! Oh the skill required to throw someone across the room would be beyond a powerful Sith Lord like Revan. See how stupid I sound? Look in the mirror Zodiak.

Palpatine was lifting senate pods and tossing them left and right like they were toys. Never seen Revan do anything like that.

God forbid that you ever understand the concept of gravity.

Yoda's force push on the Emperor threw him further then anyone I've seen in KoToR.

zOMG! He can force push! Whup de do! SO WHAT?

Not to mention you are basicing your reasons that the KoToR Jedi would do better when you basically only know a few of them. You're saying that 200 KoToR Jedi would do better then 200 PT Jedi against 1,000,000 Battle Droids.

Oh and so you know all ten thousand PT era Jedi? Logic will save your soul... a pity you have none.

Didn't Lucas say before TPM that the PT would show the Jedi at their greatest?

Quote Please? Oh wait you don't have one.

*gasp* zOMG! He forced choked and tossed someone across the room wow what a uber acomplishment! I bet Revan could never do that! Oh the skill required to throw someone across the room would be beyond a powerful Sith Lord like Revan. See how stupid I sound? Look in the mirror Zodiak.

Well first off you must learn to spell correctly before you can try to bash anyone because even a two year old knows the difference between a 'c' and a 'k'.
Second the most we ever seen was Revan force choking anyone. He never lifted them off the ground or anything close to what Dooku did.

God forbid that you ever understand the concept of gravity.

Palpatine had no part in that, what was I thinking? Palpatine didn't break the senate pods off the platforms that held them or anything like that. We never once see Palpatine lift them above him before throwing them down one after another. Oh wait he did. The fact is they didn't fall straight down so Palpatine clearly had to put force into throwing the pods.

zOMG! He can force push! Whup de do! SO WHAT?

And most of the dark Jedi from KoToR are immune to force push as it says most of the time I try to use a force push.

Oh and so you know all ten thousand PT era Jedi? Logic will save your soul... a pity you have none.

No I don't know the ten thousand PT Jedi but if you had the ability to read I was defending those 200 Jedi at the arena from AtoC. I know the outcome of that fight because I say it on the film but never once have we seen 200 KoToR Jedi fight in the arena against thousands of battle droids.

w00t feat wars.

have you ever seen Vader control the Star Forge?? Have you ever seen Vader choke two Jedi and then shoot one with lightning while using a lightsaber throw to kill the other? Have you ever seen Vader push a sith trooper into a control panel?

Does that mean he couldn't? well in this case for most yes, but then again Bandon probably couldn't do half of that either. But really Vader his skills were never ever shown to be great compared to others, or even good. The most he does with the force is throw around things and choke.

"*gasp* zOMG! He forced choked and tossed someone across the room wow what a uber acomplishment! I bet Revan could never do that! Oh the skill required to throw someone across the room would be beyond a powerful Sith Lord like Revan. See how stupid I sound? Look in the mirror Zodiak."

He choked the fourth (or third) greatest in the whole damn Order and tossed him around like a ragdoll. This isn't just "someone". Don't downplay this.

Anyways, this is besides the point...

Oh and Fishy, Vader does something similar in Purge.

Originally posted by Fishy
Does that mean he couldn't? well in this case for most yes, but then again Bandon probably couldn't do half of that either. But really Vader his skills were never ever shown to be great compared to others, or even good. The most he does with the force is throw around things and choke.

Actually, in Purge and RODV he does more. I *heard* he takes on eight, count 'em eight Jedi Masters in Purge... If only I could find that comic.

Also, alot of Vader's suposed power comes from the fact that he's "80% of Sidious". I can't be crystal clear of what this means, since I don't know, but I think it means that Vader is nearly as powerful as Sidious. as of ROTJ, who SHOULD be stronger than ROTS Sidious...

80% of sidious in what? Farting ability? Pie eating contest? In what? It means shit.

and in purge he does kill 8 masters want to know how? He walks in stabs one of them, throws another one at the wall.

he then snaps the neck of another Jedi that he catches as the Jedi jumps at him. Vader then gets disarmed pretty damn quickly, literally as he loses his arm against the first Jedi that seems to know what she is doing. After that he begs for mercy, the remaining five Jedi refuse to kill him. One however thinks otherwise kills one of his friends turns to the Dark side effectively. Grabs her lightsaber and attacks Vader. Vader uses the force to throw a knife into the jumping Jedi and takes the lightsaber.

Three remain, one of which is the most powerful of the group. Stormtroopers come in, and they do the rest. Vader would have been dead if it wasn't for the stormtroopers or a Jedi turning to the Dark side. He killed four, four were killed by themselves or stormtroopers. Also note those were the four with skill.

The first Jedi he kills was a Padawan if I remember correctly that charged at him and another he kills was so consumed by the Dark Side he couldn't think logically anymore. Really not all that impressive if you know what happened, he barely died there.

Originally posted by Fishy
80% of sidious in what? Farting ability? Pie eating contest? In what? It means shit.

It is vague, but I think the point was brought up when someone asked if Vader was more powerful than the Emporer, and then Lucas said he was only 80% of him.

I'm sure 80% as strong as Sidious would most likely refer to over all abilities in combat.

And thats probably in potential, as thats what Lucas always talks about. And 80% as powerful doesn't mean 80% as skilled..

No, it was as of ROTJ.

Originally posted by Fishy
80% of sidious in what? Farting ability? Pie eating contest? In what? It means shit.

and in purge he does kill 8 masters want to know how? He walks in stabs one of them, throws another one at the wall.

he then snaps the neck of another Jedi that he catches as the Jedi jumps at him. Vader then gets disarmed pretty damn quickly, literally as he loses his arm against the first Jedi that seems to know what she is doing. After that he begs for mercy, the remaining five Jedi refuse to kill him. One however thinks otherwise kills one of his friends turns to the Dark side effectively. Grabs her lightsaber and attacks Vader. Vader uses the force to throw a knife into the jumping Jedi and takes the lightsaber.

Three remain, one of which is the most powerful of the group. Stormtroopers come in, and they do the rest. Vader would have been dead if it wasn't for the stormtroopers or a Jedi turning to the Dark side. He killed four, four were killed by themselves or stormtroopers. Also note those were the four with skill.

The first Jedi he kills was a Padawan if I remember correctly that charged at him and another he kills was so consumed by the Dark Side he couldn't think logically anymore. Really not all that impressive if you know what happened, he almost died there.

And you also conveniently forgot to mention why he lost his arm:

The "first girl who knew what she was doing" used a cortosis sword to shut off his lightsaber; then, he snapped her neck. Until then, he's pwning the Jedi left and right.

And that's Purge Darth Vader, not ESB Vader, who had 20 years to gain experience and become stronger.

Originally posted by Faunus
And you also conveniently forgot to mention why he lost his arm:

The "first girl who knew what she was doing" used a cortosis sword to shut off his lightsaber; then, he snapped her neck. Until then, he's pwning the Jedi left and right.

That did sound like it would effect Vader.

I thought he killed her took her sword then lost his arm against another person...

I need to read the comic again...