What's more important? Stopping Abortion or stopping poverty?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
God you are infantile!!!

I thought it was only in the other thread.

So in your "real world" abortion is only ending tissues and blood?

(that can move, breathe, cry, etc.. but isn't a life)

Piss on you.

I'm infantile? Ending with "Piss on you" isn't the best way to end a passage after making that claim. Continue throwing around these posts full of insults and I'll report you, I know for a fact I'm not the first you've done so to.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You're the only one who is pro-ego on this topic.

To make a generalization like, "all pro-lifers want to look selfless and humanatarian" is complete horseshit.

I do it because I CARE (oh!) about lives being ended against their wills.

As I said, selfish. If you genuinely cared, why all the noise about "OH I CARE! I CARE ABOUT THESE LIVES! Look at me caring! No look!" Yes, we get it. We can see you, how amazing you are, you...oh, yeah. See, I just proved my own point.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I know people who have had abortions and had destructive consequences, and people who didn't (through adoption and abstinence) whose lives are better for it.

Yes? So? What exactly would be your point there? You believe this is the only outcome?

I would say I don't believe you're THAT stupid, but I can't be sure.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I give my opinions because I see them in action in the "real world".

You live in the real world, naturally. Whether you are mentally in acceptance of how things work in it, I'm not sure.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
So don't lump me in any group that you made up in your head.

The "Obnoxious Self-Righteous, Selfish Christians" isn't a made up group, it's a very special group of which you are the leader.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You're in some fake world where you spout off opininos about things that you don't have any personal stake in,... just to make yourself feel big.

Oh, so you constantly aim diss filled posts at me and others on this board for what reason, Mr. I have a great life?

Mak? She's a big girl, she makes her own choices. Discussion board, check your inability to accept being challenged at the door. It'll save me the bother of throwing you back out of it later.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Perahps she thinks that helping people in poverty takes priority over helping women who should have used protection or not had sex at all.

That'll be the selfishness kicking in over sensible decisions then.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Her opinon is her business.

Welcome to KMC discussion board.

-AC

You can't stop poverty. Despite how rich we all get there will always be a "poverty" level in the world. Unless we have unlimited resources and everything is free....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who's ending lives? Oh, blinkered view of abortion. I see.

In the real world, where we know abortion isn't ending "lives", why is helping the women in your OWN country coming secondary to helping people in another country?

That's the thing with pro-lifers. They're not really pro-life, they're pro-ego. "Saving women's rights to have abortions won't make me look selfless and humanitarian, doing poverty work will." *Pats self on back*

-AC

Look, if your ever going to meet at any half way point with "pro-lifers" wouldn't it help to not bash them every chance you get?

Originally posted by Draco69
You can't stop poverty. Despite how rich we all get there will always be a "poverty" level in the world. Unless we have unlimited resources and everything is free....

True. There may always be poverty to some extent but does it have to be so extreme? Bill Gates has hundreds of billions of dollars. Kids in the Sudan eat crackers for dinner, when their lucky.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Look, if your ever going to meet at any half way point with "pro-lifers" wouldn't it help to not bash them every chance you get?

I'm not bashing them, I'm bashing people who think they are pro-lifers and bash me for not agreeing with their dangerous p.o.v.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not bashing them, I'm bashing people who think they are pro-lifers and bash me for not agreeing with their dangerous p.o.v.

-AC

And we may think your point of view is also dangerous.

Originally posted by Fishy
I'm against both of them... Stopping poverty is a nice idea but will in fact ruin human society as we know it... Making the world more prosperous in all places is a nice idea though, and probably an okay thing to do. But we must always have poor people simple as that.

I'm also pro-choice, so I don'tthink stopping abortian is a good thing either. So making poor communities a bit richer, or at least giving them schools water food healthcare and a possible future ranks way higher in my lists.

Thank God!!!!!!! We have finally found someone on these boards who lives in the real world!

Poverty of course - the question is a bit ridiculous - why would you even compare the two in any shape or form?

I guess my reason for starting this thread had to do with the idea that I've noticec some people who are against abortion say they are against it to protect life. I guess my question is why not protect the life that is already here? There are tons people working for less than a living wage, people sold for sex, etc. Why can't we put the attention that abortion gets in to something so much more important? Why not create some sort of national program to get the homeless jobs, or put them through rehab?

I don't suggest we cater to the poor whether they work or not, but shouldn't everyone at least by given a chance?

^I must say that I agree.

Originally posted by meep-meep
I guess my reason for starting this thread had to do with the idea that I've noticec some people who are against abortion say they are against it to protect life. I guess my question is why not protect the life that is already here? There are tons people working for less than a living wage, people sold for sex, etc. Why can't we put the attention that abortion gets in to something so much more important? Why not create some sort of national program to get the homeless jobs, or put them through rehab?

I don't suggest we cater to the poor whether they work or not, but shouldn't everyone at least by given a chance?

There are several flaws though

A living wage in one country is not the same as a living wage in another

Protecting life on one hand, while calling for the death of a criminal on the other, is useless

People who are sold for sex are often times provided with back alley abortions that don't even figure into the statistics that are studied

Only abortion matters to those who disagree with it (most of the time) (OH, and gay marriage) at the exprense of more important things going on around them in this fu*ked up world.

Poverty is where people chose to live, because they don't get off their asses and do something about it. (In a limited world view)

If you give everyone a chance, then that means that everyone has an equal chance, which means that only the "gifted" would prevail....and Darwin can't be right...at all costs.

My personal opinion:

When humans stop popping out babies at the current rate, poverty will be addressed at the same time.

Living wages are different in other countries. The comparison between the poor here compared to the poor in, let's say, Ghana is pretty drastic. But, before our government starts worrying about other countries problems we should worry about our own first. I think if we are going to go preach to other nations about their policies pertaining to their people we at least better give them an example. A good example.

Oh and I don't think abortion as an issue should be ignored. I just think much of our attention should be placed elsewhere. Women should have the right to choose what they choose. I doubt they want to end human life as we know it. Unless, women have it out for us men..uh oh. Run for the hills! Burn them at the stake! Well, that's how I think some people perceive women...anyway.

Even if the "gifted" prevail so long that everyone has an equal chance then I guess that is the way it is, but if everyone is given an equal and fair chance then that should minimize the amount of people left behind.

I think along with people stopping reproducing so quickly, education also needs to get better so that pverty can be minimized.

sorry it was a double post...

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
When humans stop popping out babies at the current rate, poverty will be addressed at the same time.

That's actually pretty funny.....the one is the solution of the others.

Aid the Poor; have an abortion - I'm sure the 'Restricted Choicers' will love that!

All this goes back to distribution of wealth and let me tell ya that it will never be different. Go ask Donald Trump and co. to give up his wealth and share with the rest of the folks, he will either kick you in the groin and have you kicked out or just spit out you and have you kicked out.
Take the Bible, there was somewhere in it when one day Jesus and his disciples were walking down a dirt road and a wealthy young men approached him and ask " I believe that you are our savior and I worship you. What can I do to be among you disciples and be saved?"
Jesuse said" Go home and give away all your riches and comeback to me as you are with nothing but the shirt and pants on you back."
The young man thought for a moment and turned away sadly. One of the disciples asked Jesus what happened and he replied" I say this unto you, it will be easier for an elephant to go through an eye of a needle than the rich to enter the kingdom of Heaven"
The point was the boy was so rich and the prospect of giving it all away to the poor was too much so he preferred keeping his riches and be barred from Heaven. That's pretty powerful as a message

The wealthy young man should have laundered the money and had it written off on his taxes.

Originally posted by botankus
The wealthy young man should have laundered the money and had it written off on his taxes.

LOL. He might get audited a few years from now.
Imagine. Jesus has died, Christians being persecuted and I am being audited. Damn it it's just too much trouble!!!!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
My personal opinion:

When humans stop popping out babies at the current rate, poverty will be addressed at the same time.

What about in those countires where contraception is not readily available?