Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, Japan score an admittedly good goal and everyone chooses to overlook the fact that the first half was dominated by Brazil?Bit stupid. Brazil are weak on the break, yes, but they dominated that half. The scoreline doesn't exactly tell the story. Japan got a very good goal, a deserved goal. Taking nothing from them, but that was a single moment. The rest of it was Cicinho running them rigid and the rest of the team playing pinball on the edge of the box. They've been a bit wasting with their chances, but then Brazil always are.
The anti-hype hasn't worked against them for me. I didn't expect 8-0 wins.
-AC
erm, Brazil didnt dominate that half at all they had 60% of possession but didnt really dominate the game... it was Brazil passing around the edge of the area, Japan defence breaking it up and then countering... Cicinho did break them on the right but was cleared away.
They sat back, soaked up pressure and countered... so the scoreline does tell the story.
and personally, although it was a good goal, no keeper should concede on their near post, it looked quite poor by Dida.
Originally posted by Df02
erm, Brazil didnt dominate that half at all... it was Brazil passing around the edge of the area, Japan defence breaking it up and then countering... Cicinho did break them on the right but was cleared away.
Oh whatever. Japan's goal keeper has the ball pattern burned into his gloves, he had to make many saves and he did well, but let's not be silly enough to act like Brazil didn't dominate. Japan had to work on the break because most of the time Brazil were working it by all their players and getting it back up there.
Not playing a stupid long ball tactic like some teams.
Originally posted by Df02
They sat back, soaked up pressure and counted... so the scoreline does tell the story.
If the scoreline tells you the story that Brazil weren't the better side there, then it clearly doesn't.
I detect that because they're not whooping teams 8-0, you're now giving them less credit. Watch the highlights they are showing now, how much of it has been Japan? The goal and maybe two other shots.
Originally posted by Df02
and personally, although it was a good goal, no keeper should concede on their near post, it looked quite poor by Dida.
I love that. "No keeper should...", the day you can do better is the day I'll take that critique credibly. In that situation, you're not exactly getting a view from the sky, from your house. You're in goal with a man steaming toward you in a World Cup game.
I shouldn't imagine it's easy.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So...Brazil didn't dominate because Japan scored first?Logic obviously not the forte of our friend here.
-AC
Japan outplayed Brazil on the counterattack. Their defense broke any attack that Brazil made up until the last few minutes. The goal keeper helped Japan out even more until the goal.
Originally posted by El_NINO
Japan outplayed Brazil on the counterattack. Their defense broke any attack that Brazil made up until the last few minutes. The goal keeper helped Japan out even more until the goal.
The defensive I've seen gave Brazil 4 great chances in the first 20 minutes alone....Japan owes the 1-1 only to the spectacular performance of their Goalkeeper.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh whatever. Japan's goal keeper has the ball pattern burned into his gloves, he had to make many saves and he did well, but let's not be silly enough to act like Brazil didn't dominate. Japan had to work on the break because most of the time Brazil were working it by all their players and getting it back up there.Not playing a stupid long ball tactic like some teams.
yea he made a few saves, not enough for me to say Brazil dominated the game, they had majority possession, the only area they dominated was the right wing which they did completely dominate and threaten from, whenever they worked through the middle or left Japan seemed pretty comfortable and the closing down etc whenever japan had the ball was non-existent... Juninho's shot was from outside the area for instance
If the scoreline tells you the story that Brazil weren't the better side there, then it clearly doesn't.
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I detect that because they're not whooping teams 8-0, you're now giving them less credit. Watch the highlights they are showing now, how much of it has been Japan? The goal and maybe two other shots.
Japan were sitting back thats why... and countering when they broke up play, Japan put together brilliant passages of passing play, much better than anything i saw Brazil do tbh, they were patient, confident and clever, stretched the play etc... and when necessary played the long ball to a high brazilian defensive line.
I love that. "No keeper should...", the day you can do better is the day I'll take that critique credibly. In that situation, you're not exactly getting a view from the sky, from your house. You're in goal with a man steaming toward you in a World Cup game.
I shouldn't imagine it's easy.
right-o, ill use that reasoning next time you say Italian players aren't that good, or that England are playing badly, or anything else specific to a player... Goalkeepers are professionals, they are in their countries team because theyre meant to be good, and at this level... and as it should be at almost any level, no goalkeeper should be beaten at their near post... you know that, i know that, end of story
-AC
Originally posted by El_NINO
Japan outplayed Brazil on the counterattack. Their defense broke any attack that Brazil made up until the last few minutes. The goal keeper helped Japan out even more until the goal.
They didn't break up any attack, if it weren't for their keeper they'd be 4-1 down. You don't outplay a team on the break, that's Brazil's fault. It's not Japan gaining some magical skills.
Brazil are, and have been, playing them off the pitch.
-AC
Originally posted by Bardock42
The defensive I've seen gave Brazil 4 great chances in the first 20 minutes alone....Japan owes the 1-1 only to the spectacular performance of their Goalkeeper.
Whats the Logic AC is giving then... that Japan doesnt make plays like Brazil so if they cant do that then they arent dominating?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They didn't break up any attack, if it weren't for their keeper they'd be 4-1 down. You don't outplay a team on the break, that's Brazil's fault. It's not Japan gaining some magical skills.Brazil are, and have been, playing them off the pitch.
-AC
Excuse me, but if they had actually been playing them off the pitch, then why Japan scored a goal?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Df02? What do you think? Any keeper should save that?Japan, man. Too dominating.
-AC
yes thats exactly what i said... that Japan were dominating.
oh wait i didnt say that at all.
and yes, he should've saved that he didnt get proper contact.
was that post supposed to make a point of some kind?
Originally posted by Dregh
Excuse me, but if they had actually been playing them off the pitch, then why Japan scored a goal?
Stupidest idiot logic. If a game was 0-0 with Argentina and Iran, Argentina whooped and then Iran scored a tap in, what would your logic be?
Iran scored so therefore they are better?
-AC