"Brokeback Mountain"- How its effected America.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm all for a greater single straight male to single straight female ratio.

There are already mostly straight people anyway, I think people (those anti gay people) think that movies like BM will somehow make these people become gay, and that's just not gonna happen. 😛

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Like I said, I'm not going to get upset if a guy says "Sorry, I want to have sex with other men, not that girl you like."

I wouldn't be "upset". If a friend who I didnt know was gay said that, I would be like "Que quieras guey!, You would rather f*ck a guy over a fine lady?" Once I got over the initial suprise/disgust, I'd tell him "Whatever floats your boat, compa."

Besides, there's nothing wrong with a little competition, homes. I like a good challenge.

^I wouldn't be discusted, I'd just be happy that they had found someone they loved and cared for. As long as they were happy, I think that is all that matters. 🙂

If watching a film can change someones sexuality, I hate to think how many gays were turned from straight love films... These atrocities have been going on for ages... Why hasn't the Gay culture tried to out-law heterosexual propaganda?

On a side note... I think Pretty woman should be banned and all DVD's/VHS's burned for promoting prostitution...

^I agree. We should ban anything that promotes anything that God doesn't like.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Basically everyone is born without the belief that there is a God, was my point.

-AC

and my point is that they are mentally incapable of believing in god. thats not a semantics game, its a simple fact. at that point a baby's brain is far too underdeveloped to have a true sense of self in the sense that it would question it's existence. it simply cant. so, if something that is incapable of pondering existence and an afterlife etc. is an atheist, then my car is an atheist. yeah, ok. a car is a non-living object, fine. then my ferrets are atheists.

im not trying to argue for religion, but i just think that phrase "we are all born atheists", however quaint and witty, is logically flawed. you cant tag a title of belief on something that is incapable of believing. or else you can also say that someone who is religious, but suffers massive irreparable brain damage to the point where they no longer function on an intellectual level, and thus cant believe in anything, are all of the sudden an atheist. see what i mean?

Originally posted by PVS
and my point is that they are mentally incapable of believing in god. thats not a semantics game, its a simple fact. at that point a baby's brain is far too underdeveloped to have a true sense of self in the sense that it would question it's existence. it simply cant. so, if something that is incapable of pondering existence and an afterlife etc. is an atheist, then my car is an atheist. yeah, ok. a car is a non-living object, fine. then my ferrets are atheists.

im not trying to argue for religion, but i just think that phrase "we are all born atheists", however quaint and witty, is logically flawed. you cant tag a title of belief on something that is incapable of believing. or else you can also say that someone who is religious, but suffers massive irreparable brain damage to the point where they no longer function on an intellectual level, and thus cant believe in anything, are all of the sudden an atheist. see what i mean?

Your ferrets certainly are atheists.

but the definition of atheist is:

"One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being."

and disbelieve doesnt simply mean a lack of belief:

"To refuse to believe in; reject."

to be an atheist one must at least have the mental capacity to reject or deny a belief in anything that isnt wordly. or lets say they live in a society that is atheist, so there is no religion to reject. they still have the unavoidable question of existence which is characteristic of any being with an evolved or possibly deluded sense of self. no intellectually functional human can avoid it.

you must first be capable of believing in religion and not believe in it. even with a lack of exposure to religion, you must consciously believe that there is nothing more.

I will just quote Adam Poe for that.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Atheism is the belief that no dieties exist or the lack of belief that dieties exist. We are all born atheists.

weak 😬

the definition does not refer to "lack of belief".

Originally posted by PVS
weak 😬

the definition does not refer to "lack of belief".

Not to pull a whob here but look at Dictionary.com ...the Second result clearly states that.

um wrong, check again dude:

atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
Godlessness; immorality.

atheist : One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

atheist : someone who denies the existence of god

back on topic, can we close this thread?
It's just another in the string of Whobdamandog and punker69's "I hate f@gs and science but i don't want to be obvious about it" threads

but we've given it a purpose by going off topic 😛

feh, people who start threads like this should be banned as the trolls they are

Originally posted by PVS
um wrong, check again dude:

atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
Godlessness; immorality.

atheist : One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

atheist : someone who denies the existence of god

Dictionary.com/Atheism ...could you maybe read out the second definition of atheism?

oh, my bad. i missed it:

"a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods"

a single definition from WordNet. leaving it dabatable i guess. but if this is the case, then everything in existance that is not a religious human is...an atheist 😖

damn this atheist computer!!!

atheism is when you don't believe in a deity or deities-this does not preclude that you can't be a spiritual person or believe in things that cannot be proven by science. That would be an agnostic.

Originally posted by PVS
oh, my bad. i missed it:

"a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods"

a single definition from WordNet. leaving it dabatable i guess. but if this is the case, then everything in existance that is not a religious human is...an atheist 😖

damn this atheist computer!!!

What the....? I expected more of you.....

Discriminating against computers....it's a shame.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
atheism is when you don't believe in a deity or deities-this does not preclude that you can't be a spiritual person or believe in things that cannot be proven by science. That would be an agnostic.

And why the hell is everyone trying to tell us the difference between agnosticism and atheism. I am certain that PVS is, just as I am, aware of the difference....that is not what we are argueing about...at all.