Re: Re: Re: Re: "Brokeback Mountain"- How its effected America.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So any heterosexual romance then is heterosexual propaganda yes? Is that how the logic works? You see you missed my point. A heterosexual romance apparently is a legitimate film, but if it is a homosexual romance it is instantly propaganda? I don't think so.
Yes it does.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Brokeback Mountain"- How its effected America.
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Yes it does.
Explain it then, because what I am getting is -
Heterosexual Romance film - not propaganda. Just entertainment for all those people out there in heterosexual and homosexual relationships .
Homosexual Romance Film - Propaganda. Not entertainment for all those people out there in heterosexual/homosexual relationships.
Now most films of good quality (and poor) will have some message, some theme the director, the script writer is trying to get across. This is not propaganda. This is presenting a tale that will give you something to think about. Movies can be as strong or as weak in this as they want. But primarily mainstream films are entertainment with a bit extra (say social commentry.) This is no different. I don't believe Brokeback Mounain was commisioned as a propaganda film by a gay group. It is not trying to make people gay. It is not trying to do anything like that.
It is a dramatic piece that reflects in the cinematic medium a realistic story - a tale that could easily be real in our world, just like many other bits of drama do. I do not see it as a propaganda piece. I have no doubt it carries social commentary, but that is not enough to brand it propaganda, unless you want to brand every other film out there propaganda as well.
Unless of course they don't count as they don't have homosexual relationships. In short, is the only reason you say it is propaganda because it deals with this issue?
Because namecalling will change someone's opinion. If you want to claim open-mindedness, then listen to what he has to say, rather than just flaming him.
Anyway, from the standpoint of a soon to be husband, and who plans on raising a family, I personally think that homosexuality is not something you're born into, but rather are made through the years. Psychological studies show that it's a mental thing. For people who believe in a complete moral system, it's immoral. You can't change a persons moral system by lashing out at them and calling them bigot, close-minded, and so forth. That's the language of a rebellious teenager, not an educated or open minded person. If people were truly open-minded, they would listen to everybody's opinion, rather than just not wanting to offend someone.
Brokeback Mountain had two men who had a relationship, got married to women, then still had sex with one another. That promotes cheating on a vow that used to be sacred. The whole movie reeks of a life that is constantly spent lying to someone that you made a vow to. It's not romance. It's deceit. Huge difference. So, the movie promotes cheating on your wife, and to make it worse, cheat with another man! THAT is the horrible part of it.
So, opinions on Brokeback Mountain isn't just about homosexuality. It's also going back on vows and promises for the sake of a moment. That is what is disgusting.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Because namecalling will change someone's opinion. If you want to claim open-mindedness, then listen to what he has to say, rather than just flaming him.Anyway, from the standpoint of a soon to be husband, and who plans on raising a family, I personally think that homosexuality is not something you're born into, but rather are made through the years. Psychological studies show that it's a mental thing. For people who believe in a complete moral system, it's immoral. You can't change a persons moral system by lashing out at them and calling them bigot, close-minded, and so forth. That's the language of a rebellious teenager, not an educated or open minded person. If people were truly open-minded, they would listen to everybody's opinion, rather than just not wanting to offend someone.
Brokeback Mountain had two men who had a relationship, got married to women, then still had sex with one another. That promotes cheating on a vow that used to be sacred. The whole movie reeks of a life that is constantly spent lying to someone that you made a vow to. It's not romance. It's deceit. Huge difference. So, the movie promotes cheating on your wife, and to make it worse, cheat with another man! THAT is the horrible part of it.
So, opinions on Brokeback Mountain isn't just about homosexuality. It's also going back on vows and promises for the sake of a moment. That is what is disgusting.
I've never heard anyone say 'Saw' is promoting murder or 'Friends' is promoting divorce or 'A Guy Thing' is promoting adultery. But the second Brokeback Mountain comes out it's a propaganda film for homosexuality and adultery.
And Thunderstrike are you telling me every movie you watch that one of the main characters cheats on his wife with another woman you also say the movie is 'disgusting'?
I'm not openminded to bigotry. I'm close fisted in the teeth to it.
Perhaps you should follow Focus on the Family founder and child abuse advocate James Dobson's advice on preventing homosexuality by showing your dong to your kid at an early age and beating him or her and any house pets that you have sufficiently to make them cry whenever they misbehave.
There's only one 100% way to make sure that a person is of a certain sexuality. Trauma and brain damage, just like nuts have been doing to "reeducate" left-handed people for centuries.
But then I guess by the same logic, handedness, lateral dexterity, and eyesight are a choice too...
The only thing I agree with you on is that it's incredibly irresponsible to enter any relationship without knowing and accepting your sexuality. Especially if you have kids. Divorces and fights are what **** kids over, not gay parents or movies about gay cowboys.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm not openminded to bigotry. I'm close fisted in the teeth to it.
Perhaps you should follow Focus on the Family founder and child abuse advocate James Dobson's advice on preventing homosexuality by showing your dong to your kid at an early age and beating him or her and any house pets that you have sufficiently to make them cry whenever they misbehave.
There's only one 100% way to make sure that a person is of a certain sexuality. Trauma and brain damage, just like nuts have been doing to "reeducate" left-handed people for centuries.
But then I guess by the same logic, handedness, lateral dexterity, and eyesight are a choice too...The only thing I agree with you on is that it's incredibly irresponsible to enter any relationship without knowing and accepting your sexuality. Especially if you have kids. Divorces and fights are what **** kids over, not gay parents or movies about gay cowboys.
Now THAT is ignorance right there. How in the heck is James Dobson an advocate for abuse? I've met his kids. His son is a cool guy. You evidently have a bias toward people who are Christians. What's the difference between what you just said, and someone who calls someone a f*g? There is none. That load of crap you just spewed was possibly nearly the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life. Showing your dong to kids? What the hell's the matter with you?
Hey, those are Dobson's writings, read the loony some day.
I don't hate christians, I hate christians who think it's their duty to impose their will on everyone else through legal and political monkeying.
Obviously i'm not ignorant cause i'm more informed about dobson than you.
http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0021043.cfm
Hmmmm. To be honest, that is a bit odd. June 2002. Now, here's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing more of a locker room exposure sort of thing than child abuse. I by no means think that you should take your kid into the shower, but you should at least teach the birds and the bees sort of thing. To be honest, sounds like Dobson is extremely old fashioned. It honestly sounded like something my grandpa, rest his soul, would have said about teaching a kid about the birds and the bees, and taking him to the swimming hole, or something to that degree. I dunno. That's really wierd. My advice would be send them an email about it.
Also, by no means does Dobson speak for every Christian on the planet. I'm a Christian myself. By no means am I going to go streaking around the house like a doofus. However, there's always that awkward moment when you walk into the bathroom and dad or mom are just stepping out of the shower. Eeep. Though it sucks, if you live in a household with someone else, prepare yourself to see them in the nude or in their underwear. If that's never happened to some people, you're blessed. I live in an all guys dorm. Male nudity is commonplace.